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Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Post by devereaux »

evv wrote: post #32
devereaux wrote: post #20

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Regarding #1, eventually I expect Microsoft to release their own Linux distribution and keep Windows as a GUI. I would not be surprised if their failed project Astoria was reused to run android apps on that.

It would be make me so happy to see WINE supported as the first-class way of running Windows software.

I would fully expect them to buy Codeweavers should they do that.

Win32 binaries running on Wine is one of the best option for desktop software.

It's funny how it is like the polar opposite of UWP, but it just work and I guess that matters more than technical beauty.

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Post by naikrovek »

matrix wrote: post #61
partiallypro wrote: post #7

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How are they ruining Windows? People have been saying this since XP (before SP1 or SP2, when everyone hated it.) Yet there's not much evidence to support it...they are actually doing some really cool things with Windows now like adding bash and having different flavor Linux subsystems. The main issue I've had is some lack of quality control since they let go tons of testers and used Insiders instead. That has not eff…

The heavy-handed updates forcing frequent reboots are the deal-breaker for me. It seriously pisses me off to come back to my machine only discover that all those editor windows I had open gone, the IDE close, and all the open browser tabs lost, etc. Why are frequent full reboots even necessary in this day and age?!

Those reboots are heavy handed because attackers are heavy handed with new attacks and if not forced to reboot, you never will.

You get plenty of time to prepare for the reboot that's coming. You can even delay it by a day or more.

It isn't Windows' fault that you aren't prepared for it when it comes; it's yours.

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Post by 20190129 »

kokey wrote: post #94
saosebastiao wrote: post #56

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Why would it need to be Linux? I love linux, but mostly because it works well and is open source. I'd love for a big tech company to put their weight behind SEL4. That would go a long way for Microsoft: formally proven security, tiny footprint, good performance, etc. It's something that has massive potential for super computers all the way down to IOT. It just needs a proper ecosystem behind it. Or maybe buy QNX off…

I think as long as Microsoft holds onto Windows tightly the better bet in the future will always be a Linux or UNIX-like OS. Like many other things, the thing that works more like evolutionary systems tend to prevail. Linux might be the dominant race of the UNIX ancestry tree at the moment, but it may not retain that dominance and the thing that will overtake it will probably come from the same UNIX evolutionary root…

Perhaps Google Fuchsia[0]?

I hope not.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fuchsia

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Post by 20190129 »

devereaux wrote: post #20
Bamafan wrote: post #11

Long story, short: 1. Realize the world is moving beyond Windows 2. Cede mobile OS to Android/iOS, that battle is lost. 3. Realize, next great revenue stream is the Cloud (Azure).

Regarding #1, eventually I expect Microsoft to release their own Linux distribution and keep Windows as a GUI. I would not be surprised if their failed project Astoria was reused to run android apps on that.

I just hope one day they add regular expressions to Excel.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

VRay wrote: post #34
devereaux wrote: post #20

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Regarding #1, eventually I expect Microsoft to release their own Linux distribution and keep Windows as a GUI. I would not be surprised if their failed project Astoria was reused to run android apps on that.

Speaking as an OS engineer who's worked on both kernels a lot, Windows is way better under the hood for low-latency, responsive end user stuff than linux Then again, WinMo 7 was way faster and more responsive than Android at the time, and look how that turned out..

One costs a lot to maintain, another doesn't.

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Post by dralley »

kokey wrote: post #95
VRay wrote: post #34

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Speaking as an OS engineer who's worked on both kernels a lot, Windows is way better under the hood for low-latency, responsive end user stuff than linux Then again, WinMo 7 was way faster and more responsive than Android at the time, and look how that turned out..

I'm not sure why this is such a problem in Linux, where latency is really not such a big problem in Darwin/MacOS/iOS.

Architected for throughput instead of latency.

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Post by kazinator »

sifoobar wrote: post #82
kazinator wrote: post #55

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I speak here perhaps not only for myself but others: although Microsoft had been reviled, and still is, somehow Gates escaped that personally. I've never felt that I dislike Bill Gates. There had been a smaller Microsoft before the rise of MS-DOS and Windows. Microsoft was a vendor of BASIC interpreters that were integrated into some 8 bit microcomputers, which I used. The Apple II's "Applesoft" basic was derived fro…

Here, let me fix that for you: https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmenti... Bu xie, my pleasure.

I actually had that in an earlier edit of my comment!

I got rid of it for lack of stability in the URL. There doesn't appear to be a nice semi-permanent home on the web for these photos.

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Post by techfoolery »

king_magic wrote: post #74
nostromo wrote: post #65

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The problem is they are no longer best-of-breed for any of their markets, except maybe Office. Microsoft doesn't break out Azure revenue, but by all accounts it's quite small compared to AWS. And Office is very much under threat. If you work with young people you'll notice they tend to prefer G Suite apps over Office - most likely because Google has done a great job getting their software into schools.

Uh, Azure revenue, by many accounts, is greater than AWS: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobevans1/2018/10/29/1-microsof... https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobevans1/2018/04/27/microsoft-... And sorry, G Suite is a joke compared to desktop Office for serious work. It doesn't matter what the youngin's prefer, what matters is what gets (or facilitates getting) real work done in the enterprise, which generally revolves aroun…

That seems more like an entrenched opinion that you've continually looked to reaffirm instead of opening your perspective.

First, serious work & powerpoint? Really? Yeah in an enterprise organization that's largely stuck doing what they've been doing because it's worked - sure, but that's not a technology issue, it's a culture issue.

For example, Google Sheets covers 80-90% of the use cases for Excel. But that's not what you should be comparing. A lot of what folks use spreadsheets for to do complicated calculations, have built lengthy, stitched together macros to automate processes, etc. would be much better in many cases to consider a completely alternate approach.

i.e a data warehouse, hey use a service like BigQuery that requires minimal adminstration and requires users to really only have SQL knowledge.

In order to effectively work across a large organization across different functions, product lines, etc., you have to remove every point of friction that prevents collaboration, etc. Desktop Office is great for individual work, but in today's dynamics, it really seems like you put a ceiling on productivity by sticking to it.

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Post by mixmastamyk »

rubyfan wrote: post #107
sonnyblarney wrote: post #5

"When Satya Nadella took Microsoft Corp.’s helm five years ago, the conventional wisdom was that the company’s glory days were behind it." Have a look at this MS revenues [1] and consider why for a moment there is any 'conventional wisdom' like this? MSFT stock price did languish during this time of amazing growth which I guess validates that 'conventional wisdom' was in fact sour, but it's hard to see why it was. Ro…

> For whatever reason, the industry press never liked Ballmer, and I guess they like Satya. Bad business acquisitions and management decisions notwithstanding... Developers, developers, developers. Chair throwing. Bad dancing. Many other crazy antics. Being an archetypal business man and probably the defining image of MSFT in the 2000s - you literally couldn’t make it less cool. Lots for industry media to troll.

... the great quote about the iPhone, and Fred Mertz physique/style.
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