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Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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A VC friend of mine characterized these kinds of answers nicely: incredible, profound bullshit that no one seems to know how to cut through. On a level specific to Microsoft, their biggest threat is how agreeable and self-deprecating everything they do is now. Corporate cultures thrive on hierarchy, and yet their employees are pretty comfortable admitting to their friends that Windows and Azure are crap. The quiet tr…

> and yet their employees are pretty comfortable admitting to their friends that Windows and Azure are crap You make a whole lot of claims with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

I take it you don't know anyone who works at MSFT?

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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post #11

Long story, short: 1. Realize the world is moving beyond Windows 2. Cede mobile OS to Android/iOS, that battle is lost. 3. Realize, next great revenue stream is the Cloud (Azure).

Regarding #1, eventually I expect Microsoft to release their own Linux distribution and keep Windows as a GUI. I would not be surprised if their failed project Astoria was reused to run android apps on that.

It would be make me so happy to see WINE supported as the first-class way of running Windows software.

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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post #16

A VC friend of mine characterized these kinds of answers nicely: incredible, profound bullshit that no one seems to know how to cut through. On a level specific to Microsoft, their biggest threat is how agreeable and self-deprecating everything they do is now. Corporate cultures thrive on hierarchy, and yet their employees are pretty comfortable admitting to their friends that Windows and Azure are crap. The quiet tr…

The mentality is still there, but years of polish has made it hard to detect by outsiders. I wouldn't for a moment attribute any of MSFT's moves to goodwill. They were bareknuckled and bloody for years - they got slapped by regulators for it and it was forced under the surface.

Not sure why this was downvoted to grey

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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post #11

Long story, short: 1. Realize the world is moving beyond Windows 2. Cede mobile OS to Android/iOS, that battle is lost. 3. Realize, next great revenue stream is the Cloud (Azure).

Regarding #1, eventually I expect Microsoft to release their own Linux distribution and keep Windows as a GUI. I would not be surprised if their failed project Astoria was reused to run android apps on that.

Speaking as an OS engineer who's worked on both kernels a lot, Windows is way better under the hood for low-latency, responsive end user stuff than linux

Then again, WinMo 7 was way faster and more responsive than Android at the time, and look how that turned out..

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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post #3

The only product from Microsoft I use is Windows and they're ruining it. So, sorry Satya, but...

I still have a Windows around for running Visual Studio and it seems the next iteration is resolute about making the GUI worst again (previous successful attempt at it was VS 2012).

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

#36

"When Satya Nadella took Microsoft Corp.’s helm five years ago, the conventional wisdom was that the company’s glory days were behind it." Have a look at this MS revenues [1] and consider why for a moment there is any 'conventional wisdom' like this? MSFT stock price did languish during this time of amazing growth which I guess validates that 'conventional wisdom' was in fact sour, but it's hard to see why it was. Ro…

They are small things, but they could also be good signals- a bit like canaries in the mine. To say that differently, every story about Google or Facebook is usually some horrible thing. I would not touch their product with a 10 foot pole. A few years go, I uninstalled all facebook stuff and even whatsapps. Now I do not buy anything even remotely connected to google (such as android phones) because it gives me the cr…

"You should not underestimate the power of a narrative or even impressions."

I'm not. I'm saying (from Shiller, world leading economist) - that narratives are usually wrong, and the MS case is evidence.

VS Code and 'open source' Chakra are very, small, things.

They are not even canaries.

(Caveat: Azure allowing linux is important strategically though)

I personally fall victim to this myself a lot, making undue correlations between some tech move or announcement, and actual business robustness. We vastly over estimate these things because we think and care about these issues all day. Most technology customers, and most Enterprises do not. If you have a look at where MSFT derives it's revenue and how consistent it is, that gives a clearer picture.

Second, that MS may appear to be more 'open' in these areas in no way implies any kind of success or revenue growth.

Apple is considerably more 'closed' and they do just fine, for example.

Satya in no way deserves a massive P/E ratio bump from analysts, there is no real basis for it.

MSFT stock price over the last 20 years should have been ballpark commensurate with it's revenues, fluctuating here and there. The 'big lift' after Satya had nothing to do with fundamentals really.

Ballmer took an already great company and massively grew it, launched XBox, moved into the cloud, grew enterprise services substantially, it's one of the most successful and robust evolutions of a company ever.

The 'misperceptions' that lead to 'false narratives' in this case are analyst's readings of pop culture tech trends, and we HN'ers overvaluing the importance of things like VS Code.

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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A VC friend of mine characterized these kinds of answers nicely: incredible, profound bullshit that no one seems to know how to cut through. On a level specific to Microsoft, their biggest threat is how agreeable and self-deprecating everything they do is now. Corporate cultures thrive on hierarchy, and yet their employees are pretty comfortable admitting to their friends that Windows and Azure are crap. The quiet tr…

Bill and the board deserve credit for bringing in Satya to captain the ship and steer it.

The ship is still afloat, with a captain able and willing to navigate it into new territories. That's really what they're doing and I think that in itself is a re-invention and worth remarking about.

Now, you can give them shit for the design of their ship, failures, practices, etc.. and rightfully so, but they are definitley re-defining their business in real-time, in my opinion.

I'd love to hear if any of that resonates as I haven't worked at Google or the other companies you listed to get a scope of the culture.

edit: steer

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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post #3

The only product from Microsoft I use is Windows and they're ruining it. So, sorry Satya, but...

How are they ruining Windows? People have been saying this since XP (before SP1 or SP2, when everyone hated it.) Yet there's not much evidence to support it...they are actually doing some really cool things with Windows now like adding bash and having different flavor Linux subsystems. The main issue I've had is some lack of quality control since they let go tons of testers and used Insiders instead. That has not eff…

Windows is subject to this sort of bizarre conservation of awesome. Any improvements in one area must be counterbalanced with an absolute shitshow in some other area. Windows 95 brought full 32-bit-ness to the average desktop, but it was a crashy buggy mess based on DOS that should have never existed because Windows NT was a thing. Windows 98 improved on Windows 95 in some ways, but introduced completely unnecessary IE integration and the Active Desktop nobody used. Windows XP finally brought the NT kernel to the consumer desktop, but it looked like Fisher-Price and introduced phone-home DRM integrated at a system level. Windows 7 seems immune to this rule, being a massive improvement over Vista and XP with few drawbacks, but was bookended by pure-shitshow releases Vista and 8. Windows 10 fixed many of the problems with Windows 8, and gave us nice things like WSL, but also gave us built-in spyware and ads-in-the-start-menu malarkey.

There's a reason why people say 2000 and 7 were the best Windows releases ever.

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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post #11

Long story, short: 1. Realize the world is moving beyond Windows 2. Cede mobile OS to Android/iOS, that battle is lost. 3. Realize, next great revenue stream is the Cloud (Azure).

Regarding #1, eventually I expect Microsoft to release their own Linux distribution and keep Windows as a GUI. I would not be surprised if their failed project Astoria was reused to run android apps on that.

Windows is a pretty good kernel, GNU/Windows (aka WSL) effectively feels like Linux, with some drawbacks mainly NTFS being very slow (which Microsoft are aware of and working on - see https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/873#issuecomment-425...).

Re: Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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A big resurgence: They make an operating system that supports Linux with just a few clicks. They make hardware devices that can also natively run Linux very well, for when I need it. It feels like Apple when OSX was introduced, only better. Many people here may not like Windows 10, but the more I use it, the more I like it.

It’s two completely different UIs beaten together into an incoherent lump. I will give it one thing, it’s not as deliberately user obstructive as Vista or 8.

I bought a laptop for my daughter with 10 on it and got a (completely legit) license key for Office from work. Oh. My. God.

The laptop already had a different Office SKU on it, so I couldn’t use the key with that. The key I had didn’t work with any of the MS online licensing sites and I wasted 2 hours trying to figure out what to do. In the end I got on to a support rep via online chat and it took him an hour remot desktopping in to run some command line utilities to remove old Office install, clean up some stuff and get the machine licensed. It was unbelievable.

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