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How Stifling Debate Around Race, Genes and IQ Can Do Harm (2018)

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Re: How Stifling Debate Around Race, Genes and IQ Can Do Harm (2018)

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Post by postingtoofast »

goldenkey wrote: post #6
ForHackernews wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't trust the HN audience to have a sensible discussion on this topic. Too many armchair evolutionary "experts" and crypto-racists.

Forgive me, what is a crypto-racist?

A person who bought a lot of bitcoin and now looks down on everyone who didn't buy early and HODL as an inferior.

Re: How Stifling Debate Around Race, Genes and IQ Can Do Harm (2018)

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Post by postingtoofast »

ForHackernews wrote: post #9
goldenkey wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive me, what is a crypto-racist?

Assuming you're asking in good faith: a racist who pretends not to be a racist. They'll often show up asking "Why can't we just have a reasonable discussion about low IQs in the Sub-Saharan African phenotype?" and ready with a Gish gallop list of dubious studies. If this post stays up, I'm sure they'll make an appearance.

I see. And as soon as someone says something you don't like you're able to tell that they've been pulling this act right? Like, your spidey sense starts tingling or something? That's a neat skill!

Re: How Stifling Debate Around Race, Genes and IQ Can Do Harm (2018)

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Post by rjkennedy98 »

I think the bigger debate is whether eugenics or anti-dysgenics should be a policy goal of the government.

Whether we like it or not - if we don't pass our best genes down to our children we are hurting future generations. I suspect the fact that we've turned so against eugenics goes hand in hand with the fact that we've also destroyed the environment, the financial well-being, and even the mental health of the next generation (especially here in America).

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Post by vmh1928 »

rjkennedy98 wrote: post #13

I think the bigger debate is whether eugenics or anti-dysgenics should be a policy goal of the government. Whether we like it or not - if we don't pass our best genes down to our children we are hurting future generations. I suspect the fact that we've turned so against eugenics goes hand in hand with the fact that we've also destroyed the environment, the financial well-being, and even the mental health of the next…

In my observation (completely unbiased, mind you,) brains come from the mother. Therefore it's vitally important for the future of the human race that smart women have children. Certainly the stupid ones are.

Re: How Stifling Debate Around Race, Genes and IQ Can Do Harm (2018)

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

deogeo wrote: post #15

I thought it was already proven that humans are all the same?

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but one thing we can say for sure is that there are differences between sexes and sets of genetic traits associated with the concept of race. Now, whether these differences extend beyond biology - that's what scientists currently would rather not discuss for fear of consequences. The authors of the article argue this attitude is harmful for the society as a whole.

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Post by commandlinefan »

_Schizotypy wrote: post #2

IQ is a shit measure of intelligence

Maybe, maybe not, but how would you know? As of now, IQ is the _only_ measure of intelligence, so there's nothing to compare it against except anecdotes. You can say, "so and so has a low IQ but he seems smart to me", but there's nothing objective to compare it against, so there's really no good way to tell if it does measure that ephemeral quality that we attribute to the term "intelligence". It does track pretty closely with every other objective measure of intelligence, though, like academic performance and financial success.

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Post by throwawaymanbot »

The problem I have with it is that it is not a perfect science, but people talk about its studies/results as if it IS perfect science; And those results in the hands of certain people usually end up being used to classify a chunk of humanity as somehow not worthy of respect or worse, to be eradicated.

It is not and will not be a perfect science. However, other sciences are not used to persecute humans. Introducing a bias which racist's undeniably have, pollutes the science, as we have seen in AI algorithm training recently.

Re: How Stifling Debate Around Race, Genes and IQ Can Do Harm (2018)

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Post by Junk_Collector »

commandlinefan wrote: post #18
_Schizotypy wrote: post #2

IQ is a shit measure of intelligence

Maybe, maybe not, but how would you know? As of now, IQ is the _only_ measure of intelligence, so there's nothing to compare it against except anecdotes. You can say, "so and so has a low IQ but he seems smart to me", but there's nothing objective to compare it against, so there's really no good way to tell if it does measure that ephemeral quality that we attribute to the term "intelligence". It does track pretty cl…

Of course if the IQ test was flawed and just a measure of where we expend resources on people rather than intelligence, it would strongly track with academic performance and financial success.
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