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New Technology Uses Lasers to Transmit Audible Messages to Specific People

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A consumer always pays, whether by paying or looking at advertisements. But the modern world offers nice alternatives now. I can watch movies and episodes without ads (thanks to Netflix), and can listen to all the songs in the world without ads (thanks to Spotify). Because I pay instead of watching ads. A lot of platforms and products offer the choice between looking at ads or letting you pay. But of course, everyone…

At one point the TV was without ads too! My point: a netflix with ads will be more profitable than one without. However they cannot get away with that right now, competition, etc. Maybe never, but there's a reason ads came around, even for people who paid for television.

Of course getting people to pay twice for the same thing is more profitable. It is also far less sustainable in a competitive market.

With time is money and media backlogs many would rather just use their Steam backlog or DVD library.

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Can't we just make (targeted) advertising illegal? It would solve so many problems ...

You’ll get more ads that don’t relate to you, so you’ll feel like there’s more advertising. If you don’t want to be bothered by ads, we probably need better targeting, not a ban on it.

Nah only regulations will work from a tragedy of the commons situation. Look at Spam email - that shit is clogging systems and leading to a relatively massive overhead. Because they can make 1/100th of a penny at 1/1000 a penny in cost they will just keep on doing it indefinitely - damn the externalities.

I am very unimpressed by targeted advertising - it seems to be more a metamarketing thing since clients think they are getting more while the suggestions only gather enough to be creepy and useless compared to "what am I looking at right now?". I accidentally managed to flip Youtube ads gender targetting in a ham fisted way once in a week despite me telling them already.

Re: New Technology Uses Lasers to Transmit Audible Messages to Specific People

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Can't we just make (targeted) advertising illegal? It would solve so many problems ...

You’ll get more ads that don’t relate to you, so you’ll feel like there’s more advertising. If you don’t want to be bothered by ads, we probably need better targeting, not a ban on it.

I'm currently seeing ads for a product that I just bought and don't need to buy again for at least a year ...

Re: New Technology Uses Lasers to Transmit Audible Messages to Specific People

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Imagine the scary future of retargeting. - Doctor, I hear voices in my head - Don't worry, it's just ads

I wonder if you could, with the right combination of technologies, induce schizophrenia in a subject. Of course since I am in Europe my wondering will not be turned into a DARPA grant.

More fake than induce without the disordered thinking that comes along with it. Normal people can hallucinate under stress to some degree and it can be shockingly subtle and non-disruptive. Like thinking their downstairs neighbor is being noisy but it turns out they were away on vacation.

Interestingly the tone of hallucinations is very culturally shaped - western ones tend to be more negative.

Artists with schizophrenia tend to produce interesting degrees of abstraction which seems to be "accidental" as opposed to deliberate. Interesting but sad of course.

https://www.bryancharnley.info/self-portraits-2/charnley_sel...

If one wants to cause mental illness we already know how - isolation

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> The ability to send highly targeted audio signals over the air could be used to communicate across noisy rooms or warn individuals of a dangerous situation such as an active shooter. This strikes me as a rather bizarre example to use. What's special about active shooters that would warrant using lasers to beam whispered audio messages directly into someone's ear?

It's just one specific use case for this technology that came to mind for the researcher? Mass shootings are a pretty big deal, even if the odds of it happening to anyone is fairly low. Risk mitigation and death prevention seems like a pretty healthy choice for applying this technology, as opposed to saying something like "This could let someone beam targeted ads that only the target can hear!" "We made this thing, I…

When getting money from the grant system, the grant providers are not neutral parties objectively deciding what the best science to do is, since there is no such thing as an objective, neutral party. The grant authors learn to tell the grant writers what they want to hear.

This is part of why we get such a stream of stories about amazing new breakthroughs in solar, battery capacity, terrorism reduction, etc. that never seem to come to fruition. A lot of times they were never for that purpose anyhow, really; it was just a paragraph tacked on to get the grant.

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I wonder if you could, with the right combination of technologies, induce schizophrenia in a subject. Of course since I am in Europe my wondering will not be turned into a DARPA grant.

More fake than induce without the disordered thinking that comes along with it. Normal people can hallucinate under stress to some degree and it can be shockingly subtle and non-disruptive. Like thinking their downstairs neighbor is being noisy but it turns out they were away on vacation. Interestingly the tone of hallucinations is very culturally shaped - western ones tend to be more negative. Artists with schizophr…

The problem is that suspending one's ability to think clearly by preventing them the silence to do so can have as great an effect on mental illness as isolation.

Re: New Technology Uses Lasers to Transmit Audible Messages to Specific People

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Imagine the scary future of retargeting. - Doctor, I hear voices in my head - Don't worry, it's just ads

I wonder if you could, with the right combination of technologies, induce schizophrenia in a subject. Of course since I am in Europe my wondering will not be turned into a DARPA grant.

"Consipiracy theorists" have said the government has had this technology for a while. I've considered this particular one to be very likely to be true, because even before this story, it was just so obvious it should be feasible with basic science. I could think of a couple of basic ways to beam "something audible" (not necessarily "sound" but something that would be audible to the system as a whole) into someone's head even with just my understanding of science.

One of the ones I've considered is that we already have the ultrasound beams that others are discussing, publicly available for years, to the point I've heard them at the supermarket [1]. I suspect with just a slight tweak of the math, you could make it so that with two emitters you could create audible sound that exists only at the intersection of two beams, for instance. And that's just one idea of how this could be done; by no means am I claiming it's all of them. Even if I'm wrong about this one, something will work. Sound is so basic and simple that it is logical it can be produced by all sorts of things, because we already know from experience it is produced by all sorts of things.

This is initial research from a public team. I see no evidence from the story that they used any tools that haven't been available for 40-50+ years, albeit not as cheaply or as compactly, of course. (i.e., in contrast to the ultrasonic beam which actually requires non-trivial computational power to attain) I don't find it very hard to believe other non-public entities have the refined-over-decades version of this idea.

Combine this with a bit of chemistry and yeah, you could probably play some serious mind games with people. From what I see, it would be easy, like, give the Mythbusters a couple of weeks and take all their scruples away and they could probably bash out a "plausible" prototype of the process from where they are (not terribly expert in the relevant fields). Even just publicly-known psychoactive drugs provide a lot of tools to play with.

I am not claiming that if this technology does exist that it is being used for any particular purpose. I'm just saying with all that black budget and the obvious utility to intelligence agencies of such basic technology it's very easy to believe that they have it, and that they have for a while, because it isn't some wild hypothesis about unknown science or new forces or aliens or any sort of thing they're suppressing from public knowledge, but rather a fairly boringly-straightforward application of relatively basic science, as shown by this exact article. An infrared laser and some modest cleverness in what you do with it. Other comments speculate about putting together a DIY rig to do this. Not complicated.

[1]: They experimented with playing ads to people waiting in line to checkout. It must have been deeply unpopular, it didn't last long. As a nerd I enjoyed the chance the first couple of times to hear it and play with the parameters and see what happens if I bounced it off my cell phone, how sharp the boundary was, and such, but it would have gotten old pretty fast after that, and most people wouldn't even be that entertained.

Edit: Another example of the sort of thing that I think could lead to sound production with some tweaks, here's a video from 2014 of a mid-air laser system generating enough plasma in the air to be visible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNoOiXkXmYQ You can hear it makes a very characteristic squealing sound. Do something less violent (much, much less violent) to someone's body, and what are the odds that you could get sound out of it with some years of development? There's just so many avenues to create sound, one of them is going to work.

Re: New Technology Uses Lasers to Transmit Audible Messages to Specific People

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Can't wait till rogue arrays of lasers start beaming advertisements directly into your ear while walking down the street.

That's actually been done, although no lasers were involved. You can modulate an ultrasonic beam with an audible sound in such a way that someone hit by the beam will hear the audible sound. Ultrasonic beams can be focused into a fairly narrow region. See [1]. They used this in an ad in New York in 2007 for the TV series "Paranormal State", which was premiering soon on A&E. It was a paranormal themed reality show. Th…

This is beyond creepy. Words fail me.

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“We noticed you bought a gravestone for your mother. Your mother‘s birthday is coming up soon, would you like to buy her a box of chocolates?”

Also here’s 15 other gravestones to complete your collection.

People who looked at these gravestones also bought these zombie movies.
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