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Modern Weather Forecasts Are Stunningly Accurate

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Re: Modern Weather Forecasts Are Stunningly Accurate

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Just follow few models for a couple of weeks and you will notice how inaccurate the weather forecast is.* I do follow ECMWF and ICON and a bit of OpenWeather forecast and the differences in forecasted temperatures are often 2-3 degrees C. And everything with a horizon over 72 hours is just numerology. (OpenWeather showed -19C in early days of Feb just 2 days ago, today it is -2C). Now a model is just a model (I had s…

Do you know where to get historical forecasts easily (to gauge accuracy)?

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post #20
post #10

Just follow few models for a couple of weeks and you will notice how inaccurate the weather forecast is.* I do follow ECMWF and ICON and a bit of OpenWeather forecast and the differences in forecasted temperatures are often 2-3 degrees C. And everything with a horizon over 72 hours is just numerology. (OpenWeather showed -19C in early days of Feb just 2 days ago, today it is -2C). Now a model is just a model (I had s…

But from the user perspective there is huge difference between +1C tomorrow and -3C. Really? I'd read those both as "near freezing, going to need a decent coat".

If they're both relatively rare for you you might not notice a difference, but if you encounter them more often you'd notice I think.

Re: Modern Weather Forecasts Are Stunningly Accurate

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post #20
post #10

Just follow few models for a couple of weeks and you will notice how inaccurate the weather forecast is.* I do follow ECMWF and ICON and a bit of OpenWeather forecast and the differences in forecasted temperatures are often 2-3 degrees C. And everything with a horizon over 72 hours is just numerology. (OpenWeather showed -19C in early days of Feb just 2 days ago, today it is -2C). Now a model is just a model (I had s…

But from the user perspective there is huge difference between +1C tomorrow and -3C. Really? I'd read those both as "near freezing, going to need a decent coat".

+1 means that the packed snow is going to melt on top and then probably re-freeze, making everything super slippery. So I need to remove as much snow from the paths as possible and spread sand, and remind the kids to be careful.

-3 means relax.

Re: Modern Weather Forecasts Are Stunningly Accurate

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post #10

Just follow few models for a couple of weeks and you will notice how inaccurate the weather forecast is.* I do follow ECMWF and ICON and a bit of OpenWeather forecast and the differences in forecasted temperatures are often 2-3 degrees C. And everything with a horizon over 72 hours is just numerology. (OpenWeather showed -19C in early days of Feb just 2 days ago, today it is -2C). Now a model is just a model (I had s…

In Italy forecast are so unreliable they cannot predict rain in the evening from the morning. I don't know if it's because current climate change is throwing off models but short term forecast accuracy is terrible and I'm recently acutely aware of that since I switched to public transport for my commute.

I've seen similar in California. Forecasts are really not always that accurate even within 24h.

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Intriguing. Barely a mention (buried and oblique) that there are different weather models, and almost no discussion about relative accuracy or the reasons for the difference. Especially contrasting with the last paragraph being explicitly "Rah rah America" with the fact that the US NWS' weather models are less accurate than the European ones (hurricane Sandy was a huge wake-up call)

Re: Modern Weather Forecasts Are Stunningly Accurate

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post #8

> In 2009, a back-of-the-envelope study estimated that U.S. adults check the weather forecast about 300 billion times per year. That's every single adult in the United States checking the weather four times a day . A bit more than I would have expected…

This number probably includes things like swiping to the leftmost home screen on your phone to see the weather widget at the top. When it's that easy you can often check the weather unintentionally.

That's a 2009 study, so more like every time you open your flip phone.

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post #20
post #10

Just follow few models for a couple of weeks and you will notice how inaccurate the weather forecast is.* I do follow ECMWF and ICON and a bit of OpenWeather forecast and the differences in forecasted temperatures are often 2-3 degrees C. And everything with a horizon over 72 hours is just numerology. (OpenWeather showed -19C in early days of Feb just 2 days ago, today it is -2C). Now a model is just a model (I had s…

But from the user perspective there is huge difference between +1C tomorrow and -3C. Really? I'd read those both as "near freezing, going to need a decent coat".

Really. -3C is slippery roads and pavements. It matters if you walk or bike etc. But it is dry and feels warm. +1C is humid and feels cold.

Re: Modern Weather Forecasts Are Stunningly Accurate

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post #12
post #10

Just follow few models for a couple of weeks and you will notice how inaccurate the weather forecast is.* I do follow ECMWF and ICON and a bit of OpenWeather forecast and the differences in forecasted temperatures are often 2-3 degrees C. And everything with a horizon over 72 hours is just numerology. (OpenWeather showed -19C in early days of Feb just 2 days ago, today it is -2C). Now a model is just a model (I had s…

The windy.com site is really useful. It is the only way I know to get the ECMWF forecasts for free. As far as I know all the AccuWeather and similar spyware apps use the freely available but inferior GFS model.

weather.us as well, they even have the 50 different ensembles for the Euro. Very surprised it's free but I ain't complaining.

Re: Modern Weather Forecasts Are Stunningly Accurate

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But from the user perspective there is huge difference between +1C tomorrow and -3C. Really? I'd read those both as "near freezing, going to need a decent coat".

+1 means that the packed snow is going to melt on top and then probably re-freeze, making everything super slippery. So I need to remove as much snow from the paths as possible and spread sand, and remind the kids to be careful. -3 means relax.

The temperatures given are usually air temperatures. If the ground is warm enough -- which it is usually is in the cities -- then it doesn't really matter, the snow will melt in both cases.

Re: Modern Weather Forecasts Are Stunningly Accurate

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post #10

Just follow few models for a couple of weeks and you will notice how inaccurate the weather forecast is.* I do follow ECMWF and ICON and a bit of OpenWeather forecast and the differences in forecasted temperatures are often 2-3 degrees C. And everything with a horizon over 72 hours is just numerology. (OpenWeather showed -19C in early days of Feb just 2 days ago, today it is -2C). Now a model is just a model (I had s…

But from the user perspective there is huge difference between +1C tomorrow and -3C. Really? I'd read those both as "near freezing, going to need a decent coat".

The difference between +1 and 0 is the difference between me making the turn on my bicycle yesterday, and me sliding across the road on my side and then spending 15 minutes trying to fix the chain.
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