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Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

#101
In my likely naive view, this seems quite simple: create quality and unique content and people will pay a price reflecting that.

Make the 'base' service free, but offer a better 'tier' (or whatever) as a paid service (Q&A with journos, a free journal, ability to filter and tune news feed, etc)

There are many ideas and almost all the better ones don't likely involve pay-walling the site (either for all or after XX articles)...

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

#102

I paid for a newspaper and the only thing factual was the cartoons. Fake news has been around longer than the Internet. Look at Supermarket tabloids. Look at all of the journalists being fired now. Fake news is paid for with advertising and collecting info on the readers. Sometimes you have to pay for it as well. Newspaper I paid for reported falsely that a friend of mine's parents had neglected their spinal meningit…

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Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

#103
I am not sure paying for news will make it reliable. A subscription-based newspaper also has some of the same constraints as an ad-based one. Eventually it will pander to its subscription base. I think it would only make it even worse, if anything, since metadata about the reader would be even more easier to know when you are logged in.

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

#104

A few complaints I share with the other people in this thread: - It's not clear that even reputed newspapers like NYTimes/WaPo produce quality content consistently. As someone in tech I can clearly see what they get and what they don't. Extrapolating it - it's not at all clear they understand economics or foreign policy or policy impact or environmental concerns and how to address them ...etc. - Bias: every single on…

> For all these reasons, I have got rid of my NYT & WaPo subscription to FT now and I can't be happier.

I think you have a typo. Are you saying that you switched to FT (Financial Times), or that you got rid of the FT as well?

Anyway, if you are a US-based reader, one way to avoid some of the bias and noise is to subscribe to a non-US paper. You don't have reporters and columnists trying to sway voters, because that's not who the audience is. Plus you might discover that interesting events do take place outside of the US. (And uninteresting events. Brexit seems like it should be interesting, but all the daily political ins and outs are, in my non-UK view, a bit tedious...)

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

#105
I don't think paying for news is going to change the fact that all journalism has basically turned into activist journalism. By definition that comes with a slant.

The worst part though is that in it's ubiquity, I don't think anyone realizes that it's happened. There just isn't much objectivity left in journalism from any source.

It's hard to expect unbiased news when journalists inject their opinion into everything because they think they're fighting the good fight.

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#107
I currently have a paid subscription to both NYTimes and WaPo. I barely use either. Going to a newspaper website and clicking on headlines that sound interesting is simply not an experience that i'm interested in. I'd much rather read articles that have been filtered through some sort of social aggregator, whether that's facebook, twitter, reddit, or HN. And given how news spreads on those sites, i'm probably not alone here.

But as long as "fake news" is all free, and "serious journalism" is hidden behind a paywall it's hard for it to compete with the viral effect of free stories on any aggregators. If the NYTimes wants people to read their content, they need to make it discoverable, not lock it away.

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

#108

I am not sure paying for news will make it reliable. A subscription-based newspaper also has some of the same constraints as an ad-based one. Eventually it will pander to its subscription base. I think it would only make it even worse, if anything, since metadata about the reader would be even more easier to know when you are logged in.

You need to buy a paper whose subscribers want to be pandered to with real news.

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

#109
post #74

I paid for a newspaper and the only thing factual was the cartoons. Fake news has been around longer than the Internet. Look at Supermarket tabloids. Look at all of the journalists being fired now. Fake news is paid for with advertising and collecting info on the readers. Sometimes you have to pay for it as well. Newspaper I paid for reported falsely that a friend of mine's parents had neglected their spinal meningit…

> Newspaper I paid for reported falsely > they charged the parents So the newspaper just reported the fact that they had been charged? > From that day I learned of fake news. You learned to label things you don’t agree with as fake news.

> > had neglected their spinal meningitis daughter

Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

#110

I am not sure paying for news will make it reliable. A subscription-based newspaper also has some of the same constraints as an ad-based one. Eventually it will pander to its subscription base. I think it would only make it even worse, if anything, since metadata about the reader would be even more easier to know when you are logged in.

Depends on the reader base. If the goal of the readers is to obtain proof that their favorite politicians are great, and that their opponents are evil and stupid, then that's what the paper will provide: entertainment plus reinforcement.

But I like to think that there are still readers out there who want to know what is really happening, so that they can make educated guesses as to what will happen next. Presumably these readers want these insights in order to make money, which suggests that papers oriented to investors and business executives are the most likely to provide information that is actually predictive, rather than reinforcive.

The problem is that papers of this sort are also the most likely to charge hefty subscription fees, and put up strong paywalls.

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