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Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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Because people do not criticize the alma-mater and mentor, especially as influential as, YC (and by extension PG) in public.

Just my thoughts... I think a lot of the people that have a bad experience did so by their own actions. A lot of people flame out during YC... but that it's because of founder issues, personal issues, legal problems... etc. They just quietly go away.

Likewise, a lot of the greater YC success stories did it mostly by their own actions.

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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You think there's a dozen Sequoias or DFJs ?

Have there been any "Sequoia invested in me and totally fucked me over" posts? I'd guess there have been very few if any.

Someone hasn't seen the Facebook movie then :-)

My understanding is that the relationship depicted between Sean Parker/Sequoia in the film is pretty close to the reality.

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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I like YC as much as the next guy, but here's an important question: Why have we never seen a blog post saying that it's not worth it? Even if YC has an extremely high satisfaction rate, the sheer number of startups they've funded has to have left at least one with a bad taste in their mouth. I love hearing feedback like this and I almost never get tired of reading this article (especially when it has a good spin to…

i think it's probably due to the fact that you get as much out of YC as you put into it. If you need help they'll give it to you...they have those kinds of connections. So the only thing it comes down to is money, and it's pointless to complain about that when you just flamed out and the equity is worth 0. And if you are a success, you attribute a large part of it to the connections you got through YC. or they are af…

The thing is, if you need a really good advisor, you don't give away 6% of your company to do it. That's unheard of in Silicon Valley. If you want to bring on a great advisor, you'll probably only need to give up 1% (or a fraction of it).

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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Darius is the man. Agreed with him 100%. I'll also look at YC % as "advisory shares". You are actually getting a great deal considering the knowledge and experience from the whole YC alumni network.

Giving up 6% for advice is very, very expensive.

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think it's probably due to the fact that you get as much out of YC as you put into it. If you need help they'll give it to you...they have those kinds of connections. So the only thing it comes down to is money, and it's pointless to complain about that when you just flamed out and the equity is worth 0. And if you are a success, you attribute a large part of it to the connections you got through YC. or they are af…

The thing is, if you need a really good advisor, you don't give away 6% of your company to do it. That's unheard of in Silicon Valley. If you want to bring on a great advisor, you'll probably only need to give up 1% (or a fraction of it).

True. But YC is team of advisors + a network of a few hundred other startups that got your back. (+$ & Events, Dinners, Etc.)

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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Darius is the man. Agreed with him 100%. I'll also look at YC % as "advisory shares". You are actually getting a great deal considering the knowledge and experience from the whole YC alumni network.

Giving up 6% for advice is very, very expensive.

6% of What? 6% of an idea you have? Again, this is just my viewpoint... but I'd rather have a part of something instead of all of nothing.

If you're generating killer revenue, have other investors throwing you term sheets like roses at a matador... Then don't do it. Giving up 6% of your company might not make sense... unless there is a chance YC could help you significantly increase your revenue or valuations... and in that case the 6% is worth it.

Anyway, I don't mean to blow YC's trumpet. It won't make sense for everybody... it did for us and I'm really glad we did.

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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post #34

Darius is the man. Agreed with him 100%. I'll also look at YC % as "advisory shares". You are actually getting a great deal considering the knowledge and experience from the whole YC alumni network.

Giving up 6% for advice is very, very expensive.

Well.. Depends really. The benefits you receive is not limited to that one company (people you meet, network, advice, etc)... Those transfer with you if you later start another company, and another. It could turn out to be really cheap in the long run.

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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I look at a YC investment (and most investments made by good angels) as less about the money and more about improving your chances of not dying. When you've got an early company, even if you're as far along as ColourLovers was, the biggest risk isn't that you will give up too much equity. The biggest risk is that you will die. And there are million reasons that you will die -- even for companies with great early traction. Things just happen.

But with backers like YC, you suddenly have a team of proven badasses that have a vested interest in making sure you succeed. So ask yourself, will YC _improve your chances of success_ by more than X%? If the answer is yes, take the deal. (Spoiler alert: the answer is yes.)

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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I like YC as much as the next guy, but here's an important question: Why have we never seen a blog post saying that it's not worth it? Even if YC has an extremely high satisfaction rate, the sheer number of startups they've funded has to have left at least one with a bad taste in their mouth. I love hearing feedback like this and I almost never get tired of reading this article (especially when it has a good spin to…

Actually it's possible to say when it wouldn't be worth it: http://paulgraham.com/equity.html I think the reason we don't often hear about borderline cases is that the market is truncated at the high end by later stage investors, who wouldn't allow the startups they'd funded to participate in YC even if they'd be net ahead as a result. I.e. I've seen more than one series A funded startup that we could have helped suf…

Why do VCs refuse? Aren't VC's subject to the same equity equation rationale? Is there a difference between the answer they would give and the real answer?

Re: Should We Do Y Combinator? We're further along than most

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Darius is the man. Agreed with him 100%. I'll also look at YC % as "advisory shares". You are actually getting a great deal considering the knowledge and experience from the whole YC alumni network.

Giving up 6% for advice is very, very expensive.

"Advice" isn't a commodity. How much it's worth depends entirely on who it's coming from and whether they back it up with action. YC fight hard for the startups they invest in.

For that 6% you're not getting idle advice, you're getting YC on your team. It's a rare early-stage startup indeed whose value this wouldn't increase by more than 6.4%. For most, getting into YC is a state change and has profound effects.

Since by the looks of things you've created an anonymous account specifically to question whether YC is worth 6% of a startup, I think at this point you should either back up your assertions with something credible or be dismissed as a drive-by troll.

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