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Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by Gustomaximus »

x3tm wrote: post #21

And yet, they can't reach an agreement with each other. Edit: I meant this as a light-hearted, tongue-in-cheek, comment re the Brexit negotiations. It was apparently wrong to do so (?). I even took precious time from the fallacy man ( http://existentialcomics.com/comic/9 ).

> And yet, they can't reach an agreement with each other.

In oe matter. To act like this means other matter cannot be agreed is a false dilemma.

Id suggest to read about logical fallacies: https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by rusk »

morrbo wrote: post #30
colde wrote: post #3

I'm surprised that Britain is even behind this, as they might have been a bit nervous about the US response, considering their ongoing Brexit. This is a great example of how current US foreign policy means a loss of soft power all over the world. I do think that this is a win for world stability though, trading tends to help relations, which helps stops all sort of unpleasantness. Whether this will be enough i don't…

Practically speaking, the UK is completely screwed when it gets to choose who to trade with post-brexit. The deal the US will make with the UK will effectively be too good for the US (US hold all the cards) for the UK to have any form of negotiating power. The US won't "not accept the deal" or "not make a trade deal with the UK" because UK trades with Iran, itt'l be too good for them to pass up. Itt'l be the only thi…

In terms of trade, how is it exactly they can complement each other? The geography is a bit of an issue for actual physical goods, and I'm not sure what the UK produces that the US needs. Luxury cars maybe, but IIRC most of these marques aren't even owned by the UK any more, except for perhaps the high end. Cheap Bentley's for American oligarchs?

Services, maybe - but again most of the core banking will move away from the UK post Brexit and even then there's a lot of overlap in competencies between the UK and USA. There's a lot of smart people in the UK for sure, but there's a lot of smart people in the US.

I can't help but think the whole idea of a US/UK trade alliance is borne more of anglophone ideology than any kind of practicalities.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by kevinconaway »

grecy wrote: post #6
nkozyra wrote: post #5

Good. I don't know how much longer Americans are going to buy the boogiemen we keep getting fed. Sovereign nations under the the U.S.' thumb, not being able to control their own destiny only works so long as we're complacent. I sense we're growing tired of war for war's sake, leery of ideological battles built for future blowback down the road. We see enough people profiting from these wars to wonder how much global…

I agree. I keep hearing the most wonderful things about the people of Sudan, I can't wait to get there soon and discover for myself!

Isn’t this the guy driving all over Africa in his converted Jeep?

I wouldn’t be surprised if he is being sincere about visiting Sudan

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by ovi256 »

fredley wrote: post #18
colde wrote: post #3

I'm surprised that Britain is even behind this, as they might have been a bit nervous about the US response, considering their ongoing Brexit. This is a great example of how current US foreign policy means a loss of soft power all over the world. I do think that this is a win for world stability though, trading tends to help relations, which helps stops all sort of unpleasantness. Whether this will be enough i don't…

> considering their ongoing Brexit One of the big campaigns for Leave was that the EU was dampening our ability to trade with the rest of the World. I guess maybe not then?

Do not mistake campaign arguments for facts. They're more of the "arguments as soldiers" variety. It's rational to only care how effective they are at influencing public oppinion, they're not peer reviewed publications.

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Post by pointillistic »

Honest argument about these issues is no longer possible on HN or elsewhere on the Net. People immediately move into ideological formations and the rational conversation falls away. The down-votes and up-votes have nothing to do with content or even the subject but only with the perceived team. I would ban politically charged conversation on HN, if this was up to me.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by coldtea »

smashcash wrote: post #8
grecy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I keep hearing the most wonderful things about the people of Sudan, I can't wait to get there soon and discover for myself!

The fact that some boogiemen are not as terrible as portrayed, or that we shouldn't put too much effort to go after them, does not imply that all boogiemen are actually nice.

There's the fact that nobody appointed them the global cops in charge of boogiemen.

There's also the fact that more often than not, they act based on internal power plays and national interests of its own, and not for some "greater good".

There's also the fact that they have fucked up tons of countries with their interventions -- 4 countries in the last 20 years ago, turning relatively stable regimes into hell-holes of civil war, mayhem, and terrorism.

Not to go into how they have been historically worse than the boogiemen they complain about (from funding dictators, to directly invading countries, toppling democratically elected leaders, and so on).

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by coldtea »

fredley wrote: post #18
colde wrote: post #3

I'm surprised that Britain is even behind this, as they might have been a bit nervous about the US response, considering their ongoing Brexit. This is a great example of how current US foreign policy means a loss of soft power all over the world. I do think that this is a win for world stability though, trading tends to help relations, which helps stops all sort of unpleasantness. Whether this will be enough i don't…

> considering their ongoing Brexit One of the big campaigns for Leave was that the EU was dampening our ability to trade with the rest of the World. I guess maybe not then?

Let's see in 10 years.

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Post by vixen99 »

miscreanity wrote: post #38

I find it interesting that those are the countries where Yellow Vest protests are greatest, where government has been ignoring citizens the most.

Not interesting in the least. You need a re-education course in HN-correct thinking.

Re: Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism for Iran

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Post by arethuza »

rusk wrote: post #42
morrbo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Practically speaking, the UK is completely screwed when it gets to choose who to trade with post-brexit. The deal the US will make with the UK will effectively be too good for the US (US hold all the cards) for the UK to have any form of negotiating power. The US won't "not accept the deal" or "not make a trade deal with the UK" because UK trades with Iran, itt'l be too good for them to pass up. Itt'l be the only thi…

In terms of trade, how is it exactly they can complement each other? The geography is a bit of an issue for actual physical goods, and I'm not sure what the UK produces that the US needs. Luxury cars maybe, but IIRC most of these marques aren't even owned by the UK any more, except for perhaps the high end. Cheap Bentley's for American oligarchs? Services, maybe - but again most of the core banking will move away fro…

Top exports from the UK to the US, in order, appear to be: cars, pharmaceuticals and mechanical power generators, works of art and refined oil:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44802666

Interestingly, the UK exports rather a lot more to the US than it imports from there.

Edit: What is worrying is that investment in UK car building has drammetically reduced

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/uk-car-manufactu...

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