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Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

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Re: Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

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Retirement planning on $1200 SS: Go to jail for half of the time, plead guilty so no lawyer expenses, and when out, live on $2400 :)

Sad way, but it's a way of doing it. Can't blame the newer generation as they can barely manage for themselves. Add mental illness that starts in a lot of older people and professional care is needed.

Re: Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

#42
> Japan is in the grip of an elderly crime wave - the proportion of crimes committed by people over the age of 65 has been steadily increasing for 20 years

Journalist does not get stats. Its increasing in absolute numbers because the population over 65 is exploding as baby boomers come in that range. In relative proportion its not increasing at all.

Re: Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

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So can anyone shed any light on why they're jailing people for such low value items?

Because stealing a car and stealing a pen - is the same thing. A pen given to me by my father 20 years ago can be of a bigger value for me than a fucking Porsche.

But the things discussed were from a shop, and have prices attached.

And they aren't the same thing, you yourself admit that, to you the pen is more valuable than the car.

Re: Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

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Assisted suicide is a big trend in my country for old people who want to check out. But I know that in many countries that's not an option due to religious beliefs.

Religious belief? It's more like moral and constitutional basic human right issue.

Re: Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

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post #42

> Japan is in the grip of an elderly crime wave - the proportion of crimes committed by people over the age of 65 has been steadily increasing for 20 years Journalist does not get stats. Its increasing in absolute numbers because the population over 65 is exploding as baby boomers come in that range. In relative proportion its not increasing at all.

Actually, Japan crime rate is high in elderly population. It use to be relatively rare, but now it's relatively high.

Re: Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to expand a bit for us not familiar with the situation there?

Not the OP, but maybe I can give opinion. A lot of young (and often well educated) people are leaving to USA, Canada, Germany etc, taking their families with them too. For example, there are about 30K immigrants from Serbia to Germany each year. From Croatia to Germany it's about 50K per year. Significant number of them are doctors and nurses. Average salary (and consequently, pension) in most of central and eastern…

> Significant number of them are doctors and nurses.

I'm half-German, half-Croat. Our excuse of a health minister (Spahn) actually thinks that the solution for the utter lack of staff in the German health system is to bleed the Balkan totally dry... as if that hasn't been going on for decades!

All the people coming here to work in the health sector drop out after a couple of years due to horrible payment and labor conditions, thus leading to more recruiting in ever more remote countries, it's a vicious cycle. The obvious solution would be to massively increase pay to increase retention, but for unknown reasons no one wants to do this...

Re: Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kinda agree but it also depends on the jail. I imagine Japanese jails are nice, esp for small crimes. I’ve seen Nordik jails in a documentary and I’d totally pick that over many other places to live, if I was not able to afford living.

It's not just about being able to afford basic living conditions. If these people can't get enough human contact, we failed them. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to create meaningful interactions for the elderly. There's no reason whatsoever they should be isolated.

"If these people can't get enough human contact, we failed them."

These are adults, not children. Let's take responsibility for taking care of ourselves. There is no moral basis for blaming others if we individually fail at that (as long as others haven't done anything against us), as you imply.

I also think we need more critique on gratuitous blaming/shaming. It does no good to allow abusive attitude like this, even when's addressed towards a diffuse target as the society at large.

Re: Why some Japanese pensioners want to go to jail

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I've imagined a world where prisons and homeless shelters look almost identical, save the prisons don't allow you to leave.

Look into prisons in Denmark - far closer to hostels or even universities halls of residence. So much so that they encourage you people to live in them too.

this seems more humanitarian, but doesn't it reduce the disincentive to commit another crime, especially for people from unstable or low-income backgrounds where the prison may be more pleasant than home? Most prisons around the world seem to be far too inhumane but I can't help but wonder if you can go too far in the other direction.
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