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Re: Ask HN: What do you love about your office?

#11
A lot depends on your space and budget, but whether you're working with 400 sq. ft. and a $1000 budget, or your own building and a seven-figure budget, it usually helps to look through pictures for inspiration.

Just for example, I'm a big fan of the new 37signals office: http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2593-official-pictures-of-our...

I’ve worked in and designed several offices and regardless of the company size or budget, it’s important to get a few key things right:

1. Quality lighting - The more windows you can get, the better, and artificial lighting is just as important. Lighting is personal - some people like tons of light and others prefer to work in the dark. Make sure that you have some control over light variations and some adjustability in the different areas of the space (dimmers on lamps, curtains on windows, etc.)

2. A large table with plenty of seating - great for group projects, team lunches, company meetings, etc.

3. Comfortable seating - almost all companies skimp on seating. Considering a lot of people spend 10+ hours sitting down each day, $10 folding chairs are a joke. Quality seating doesn't have to be expensive, just comfy. Maybe provide each employee with $100-500 to choose his or her own chair. Great deals can be found at Ikea, Costco, or Craigslist.

4. Privacy - This doesn't necessarily mean individual offices or huge cubicles. Very few people want someone looking over their shoulder or eavesdropping on private conversations. Have enough space and spread people out so that they're not working on top of one another if at all possible.

5. Fun - It's different for every office, but fun stuff is important. A game room, a stocked fridge, a beer pong table, a TV, a gaming system, some board games, a pinball machine, a nap room, etc. Every company does it differently, but it's nice to have something that people can bond over and can provide a few minutes away from work.

6. Location - The location is important because if your employees have to commute two hours to get to your super awesome office, they’re still not going to be happy. Pick a location that provides an easy commute for as many people as possible and if the budget allows, choose a nice area. Walkability to restaurants and coffee shoppes is always good.

Re: Ask HN: What do you love about your office?

#12
White boards are excellent. So is an espresso machine and/or Chemex.

As others have also said, nice chairs and monitors are really, really cheap relative to the cost of employees and office space. Get Aerons or Embodies (I'm now using an Embody), which go for about $900 and $1200, respectively. Read this: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FieldGuidetoDeveloper... . Note this excerpt, which is long but posted for good reason:

Let me, for a moment, talk about the famous Aeron chair, made by Herman Miller. They cost about $900. This is about $800 more than a cheap office chair from OfficeDepot or Staples.

They are much more comfortable than cheap chairs. If you get the right size and adjust it properly, most people can sit in them all day long without feeling uncomfortable. The back and seat are made out of a kind of mesh that lets air flow so you don’t get sweaty. The ergonomics, especially of the newer models with lumbar support, are excellent.

They last longer than cheap chairs. We’ve been in business for six years and every Aeron is literally in mint condition: I challenge anyone to see the difference between the chairs we bought in 2000 and the chairs we bought three months ago. They easily last for ten years. The cheap chairs literally start falling apart after a matter of months. You’ll need at least four $100 chairs to last as long as an Aeron.

So the bottom line is that an Aeron only really costs $500 more over ten years, or $50 a year. One dollar per week per programmer.

A nice roll of toilet paper runs about a buck. Your programmers are probably using about one roll a week, each.

So upgrading them to an Aeron chair literally costs the same amount as you’re spending on their toilet paper, and I assure you that if you tried to bring up toilet paper in the budget committee you would be sternly told not to mess around, there were important things to discuss.

The Aeron chair has, sadly, been tarnished with a reputation of being extravagant, especially for startups. It somehow came to stand for the symbol of all the VC money that was wasted in the dotcom boom, which is a shame, because it’s not very expensive when you consider how long it lasts; indeed when you think of the eight hours a day you spend sitting in it, even the top of the line model, with the lumbar support and the friggin’ tailfins is so dang cheap you practically make money by buying them.

If you don't need standing desks, get Maxxon Series 1000 desks: http://www.maxonfurniture.com/products/series1000.aspx. They're very durable, sturdy, and don't wiggle. Get Humanscale keyboard trays and dual 24" monitors.

All this stuff will together cost about $3k - $4K per person. But it will last a very long time and make for a substantially better experience, which will a) make it easier to recruit and retain good people and b) make those people like working for you better. In addition, the people you're hiring will probably make at least 30K / year, probably more, and that's not counting benefits and office space. As a percentage of the cost of an employee, the stuff is actually pretty small, but it's visible, so a lot of people think they should skimp on it. You know who doesn't? Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, and so forth, because they've realized it's possible to penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Don't get caught up in the stuff -- you don't need the stuff to succeed, and neither does any startup. But if you're thinking about it, do it right.

My family's consulting business operates out of a house, and we use the equipment described here: http://blog.seliger.com/2008/06/15/tools-of-the-trade%E2%80%... , and I usually work at a desk at my place: http://jseliger.com/2010/05/02/writing-space-2010 (picture taken via HN request, too!).

Re: Ask HN: What do you love about your office?

#13
That it's awesome:

http://mashable.com/2010/10/13/etsy-office-pics/

I'm an applied mathematician and data scientist at Etsy, and the office is really, really cool. My cousin, who's an architect from Sweden came to visit with his wife and son recently, and described it as a cross between design/art school, playground for grownups, and a computer lab. That's about right. His kid didn't want to leave :-)

We don't have much in the way of silence though—there's a lot of chaos and the place is a (very entertaining) circus much of the time. But if you want peace and quiet, it's pretty much always cool to work from home.

Re: Ask HN: What do you love about your office?

#14
Natural sunlight. Parking 6ft from the entrance. FIOS internet. Walkable, safe, upbeat neighborhood. High resolution monitor. Excellent keyboard. Good chair. Quiet and secure building.

If I had two requests: private bathroom and private kitchen area.

Re: Ask HN: What do you love about your office?

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I disagree with many replies thus far.

Take advantage of stuff that already exists outside your building. Don't try to make the office "fun" prematurely, there are lots of places your team can walk to in 5 minutes. Similarly, fancy conference rooms are a waste when nice hotel cafes are way slicker and you can eat/drink like a king at every meeting for years compared to the cost of setting up your own conf room.

For chairs, I like the Ikea Markus for about $100, which I find just as good as an Aeron.

You need whiteboards, but NEVER buy them new. I buy the huge ones for about $20 a piece from office furniture repo stores. You'll also get desks, cabinets, etc there for 10% of their normal price.

Give good people the ability to work in comfort with enough space to themselves under relatively quiet conditions, and you'll get good results. Buy second hand and don't try to build everything into your little home -- take advantage of the city around you.

Edit: and lots of blank wall space, which allows people to brainstorm and create their own productivity systems with post-its and masking tape.

Re: Ask HN: What do you love about your office?

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This is going to sound strange to those of us who lived through the dot com boom of the late 1990s: Aeron Chairs. Yes, they're expensive. Yes, they are emblematic of startup excess. But the productivity improvements from having your entire workforce far more comfortable than they would be in 99$ Office Depot chairs will likely astound you. Also, they don't depreciate much. And your ass/back will thank you.

I am all for this. In our office, we have horrible Plastic Ikea chairs. When we ask to upgrade our Co Founders seem to think it is no big deal, but the amount of adjusting, back pain, neck pain and unenjoyable work really adds up. I would take nice chairs over any other perk.

Or get a standing desk.

Re: Ask HN: What do you love about your office?

#18
People have talked about the obvious things so I'd like to toss in:

* The reason I go into the office, rather than work from home, is the people there.

* I feel a thousand times better at the end of the day if I can see natural light.

* Running the OS/editor I want to is important.

Re: Ask HN: What do you love about your office?

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Natural sunlight. Parking 6ft from the entrance. FIOS internet. Walkable, safe, upbeat neighborhood. High resolution monitor. Excellent keyboard. Good chair. Quiet and secure building. If I had two requests: private bathroom and private kitchen area.

+1 to natural sunlight, all the comfy chairs and fancy coffee machines can't make up for a windowless office
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