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Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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post #33

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How does what fit into what? It's possible to serve ads without being creepy if that's what you're asking.

No, I meant how does this extention/mobile browser generate money for them?

It's marketing for their search engine

Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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Missing features I wish DuckDuckGo had (and reasons why I manually type google.com even though I have DDG set as my default browser: - sports searches. If I search for “Washington Capitals”, I want to know when they’re playing next and what channel it’s on, as well as the results of their past game. This goes for any time I search for a sports team. - searches for dictionary terms should one-box the definition (for instance, today I looked up mortified with “mortified definition”). I should see the one-box of what I’m looking for. - one-boxing in general: stack overflow answers, definitions, calculations (feet to meters, grams to pounds, etc), sports, time zones, cities, monuments, etc.

The search results from DDG just feel “off” compared to google search. I want to like DDG and I keep attempting to use it; but it’s failing at making relevant information immediately available at my fingertips.

Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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post #82

Missing features I wish DuckDuckGo had (and reasons why I manually type google.com even though I have DDG set as my default browser: - sports searches. If I search for “Washington Capitals”, I want to know when they’re playing next and what channel it’s on, as well as the results of their past game. This goes for any time I search for a sports team. - searches for dictionary terms should one-box the definition (for i…

you don't have to do the full URL just type "!g Washington capitals"

Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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post #79

I love DDG (and have been using it as my primary search engine for about six months) but I feel like the hacker community (including me) forgets that DDG is a for-profit corporation, and that at some level posting these kinds of links is more or less the same as just giving them free advertising.

The quality of DDGs results is related in part to the number of users they have:

- they use link clicks to determine coherence between query and result. More users => more clicks => greater coherence

- they fund themselves using advertising, so their revenue is roughly proportional to their number of users. Increasing users => increasing money => more money to devote towards improving results

If one is interested in improving the results of DDG, then providing them with free advertising is an easy way to do it.

Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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post #79

I love DDG (and have been using it as my primary search engine for about six months) but I feel like the hacker community (including me) forgets that DDG is a for-profit corporation, and that at some level posting these kinds of links is more or less the same as just giving them free advertising.

Giving DDG free advertising is something I try to do once a day. I believe DDG is the rare ethical business and deserves praise.

Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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post #84
post #79

I love DDG (and have been using it as my primary search engine for about six months) but I feel like the hacker community (including me) forgets that DDG is a for-profit corporation, and that at some level posting these kinds of links is more or less the same as just giving them free advertising.

The quality of DDGs results is related in part to the number of users they have: - they use link clicks to determine coherence between query and result. More users => more clicks => greater coherence - they fund themselves using advertising, so their revenue is roughly proportional to their number of users. Increasing users => increasing money => more money to devote towards improving results If one is interested in…

I'm not disagreeing with your point (or the network effect in general), but I guess I worry that if we don't engage in some early skepticism, we're going to end up with another Google or Facebook on our hands.

Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might just be that US companies are known to be subject to National Security Letters

For the average user doing average things, how is a NSL worth worrying about? If you are on that radar, you have bigger problems than your search engine.

I think the concern is the breadth of information that the NSA has been known to gather.

This is all speculation (though informed by the Snowden revelations), but if the NSA asks DDG for data for some legitimate reason, it is likely that the NSA would just demand "all" the data, and not a scoped version of it. Meaning your information could get caught up in it.

I agree that for most people this may not be a concern, but if you would like to learn more, privacytools.io has some more information about the "14 Eyes" and other nation state information gathering efforts.

Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

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post #84
post #79

I love DDG (and have been using it as my primary search engine for about six months) but I feel like the hacker community (including me) forgets that DDG is a for-profit corporation, and that at some level posting these kinds of links is more or less the same as just giving them free advertising.

The quality of DDGs results is related in part to the number of users they have: - they use link clicks to determine coherence between query and result. More users => more clicks => greater coherence - they fund themselves using advertising, so their revenue is roughly proportional to their number of users. Increasing users => increasing money => more money to devote towards improving results If one is interested in…

> they use link clicks to determine coherence between query and result. More users => more clicks => greater coherence

Do you have a source on that?

Re: Use DuckDuckGo to improve your privacy online (2018)

#90
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try https://startpage.com They pay Google to proxy their generic non personalized results.

Some people are going to ask "How does Startpage make its money?" and fortunately they've put that info in their Privacy Policy: Our search result pages may include a small number of clearly labeled "sponsored links", which generate revenue and cover our operational costs. Those links are retrieved from platforms such as Google Adwords. In order to enable the prevention of click fraud, some non-identifying system inf…

For those on mobile:

> Our search result pages may include a small number of clearly labeled "sponsored links", which generate revenue and cover our operational costs. Those links are retrieved from platforms such as Google Adwords. In order to enable the prevention of click fraud, some non-identifying system information is shared, but because we never share personal information or information that could uniquely identify you, the ads we display are not connected to any individual user."

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