Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by georgecmu » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 3:31 PM UTC

Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing
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Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by laretluval » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:33 PM UTC

I hope people are beginning to understand that the presence of software in any system is a liability.

Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by nitinreddy88 » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

How many easter eggs will emerge from Boeing. In last 2 months, we had similar incidents from Boeing where an undocumented software safety kicked in and causing trouble for everyone

Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by onewhonknocks » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

I'm not sure this is a bug. It sounds like pilot-error to me (I am not a pilot):

"In the bulletin, Boeing said that selecting full reverse too quickly upon landing before the aircraft has fully transitioned to ground mode could cause the system to activate."

Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

nitinreddy88 wrote: post #3

How many easter eggs will emerge from Boeing. In last 2 months, we had similar incidents from Boeing where an undocumented software safety kicked in and causing trouble for everyone

and causing trouble for everyone

You mean killed 189 people, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_610

Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by sschueller » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

"Boeing said that selecting full reverse too quickly upon landing before the aircraft has fully transitioned to ground mode could cause the system to activate."

That sounds like apple's "you are holding it wrong" when "antenagate" happened. Not something I want to hear from an aircraft company where people's lives depend on it working.

Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by S_A_P » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

onewhonknocks wrote: post #4

I'm not sure this is a bug. It sounds like pilot-error to me (I am not a pilot): "In the bulletin, Boeing said that selecting full reverse too quickly upon landing before the aircraft has fully transitioned to ground mode could cause the system to activate."

I tend to agree after reading the bulletin. It seems to be a safety net for the plane/engines that maybe needs better input validation so that a pilot eager to hit the brakes cant do this again. In this context its a UX bug.

Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by minedwiz » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

laretluval wrote: post #2

I hope people are beginning to understand that the presence of software in any system is a liability.

Boeing 777 is also digital fly-by-wire and has never suffered an issue attributable to software error.

Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by glup » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

laretluval wrote: post #2

I hope people are beginning to understand that the presence of software in any system is a liability.

After serverless comes codeless.

Re: Boeing 787 Suffers Rare Dual Engine Failure on Landing

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Post by deugtniet » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

Is there something special about the software in new Boeings? Dual engine failure is nothing to sneeze at, and should never happen. Airbus also had its fair share of software errors in history, but if we count the recent Lion air crash as software related, Boeing has had 2 serious software related incidents in a year and I haven't heard anything serious from airbus.

Is it because Airbus started its fly-by-wire development earlier?