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Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.

Those of us who run their own mail servers: what is your MTBF? That is, ignoring all other differences, from the standpoint of pure availability, how do you compare to popular centralized email services? Just asking.

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We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.

It would be nice to have an internet again.

They posted on the internet, using the internet.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.

Those of us who run their own mail servers: what is your MTBF? That is, ignoring all other differences, from the standpoint of pure availability, how do you compare to popular centralized email services? Just asking.

No outages except when I've migrated postfix/dovecot from old to new servers, and misconfigured. Otherwise uptime has been equal to server provider uptime (Rackspace, then AWS).

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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As someone working on a mail service of my own, this is heartening to see. Even Google messes up sometimes.

What service are you working on? I'd be interested in learning about it.

It's not ready for release yet (in a week or two maybe), but I'm working off the idea of a pay-per-use email service. Instead of a flat per month fee, you're charged for resources used. It looks like it'll end up being about an order of magnitude cheaper than other paid email services so far. Hopefully from there it'll be a good base to try out other improvements to email too.

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Do you know of an email provider that doesn't work this way? Asking because I'm currently using gmail for a little project and make use of aliases and catch alls and then make and remove additional accounts as I need those accounts to be able to send mail in addition to receiving it. Im not really interested in managing everything that I perceive goes into managing my own email server (ip reputation management and ha…

https://www.migadu.com Lets you use unlimited domains, addresses and has regex based catchalls. The only difference between their plans is the amount of outgoing email you can send. I've been using them for a couple of domains for nearly a year with no issues.

WOW! This is perfect and much cheaper than i thought it would be. Thanks for the recommendation!

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I hope you like paying per mailbox. That's a non-starter for someone like me who handles mail for 10-20 of my friends on my own domain. That's $500-$1000 a year on Fastmail's Standard plan, the lowest tier plan that allows you to use your own domain.

Do you know of an email provider that doesn't work this way? Asking because I'm currently using gmail for a little project and make use of aliases and catch alls and then make and remove additional accounts as I need those accounts to be able to send mail in addition to receiving it. Im not really interested in managing everything that I perceive goes into managing my own email server (ip reputation management and ha…

MXroute is fantastic.

https://mxroute.com/

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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Not how it works. If you service has that 99.999% availability and you get a single unavailability event in a year, that's already 5 minutes of downtime completely independent from all other events that users may or may not experience, there is almost no chance of overlap between them. Users definitely notice that. And worse, events are going to be even less frequent than that and ever more noticeable and on top of t…

Any pointers to where to look for good reliability examples in software world? Genuinely curious.

I suppose a good example is whatever runs in NASA's control room or (to a lesser extent?) in control towers.
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