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U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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>Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US. And..... they are also the only full 4G solution provider. None of the other telecom infrastructure companies have client side business. Arguably Samsung do, but that are relatively new. But that doesn't prove anything. Credit where Credit's due Huawei has made fair amount of contribution towards 5G…

No, Huawei does not own all the 5G patents/technology; so it must have stolen from other countries? So when you want something you don't own, the only option is to steal? I find your logic so absurd. Then how much is the US stealing everyday?

>I find your logic so absurd

It is funny you challenge me on logic and yet none of my reply intends or implies, their only option is to steal.

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In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

On the flip side, though not often corporately, the US does the same, as do most countries. I love how China gets pointed fingers at constantly for espionage and the like when the rest of the world does the same damn thing. The main difference is govenment-backing of corporations, and the blatant corporate abuse of such things. China for Chinese, and similar nationalistic views aren't exactly shocking given the behavior of our nation, and others toward the Chinese, especially under our current administration. The nationalism and racism is on both sides. And given the scale of China, well, do the math.

Beyond this, the level of information published on the Chinese web is amazing -- I did product research for a Fortune company in the US and the Chinese research published freely put them ahead.

10x the startups. 10x the millionaires made. Every. Year. Everyone else is tiny and stagnant by comparison.

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In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

I read an article a while back, probably a couple of years (sorry, I can't find/cite). The observation in the article paints this "theft" in what they perceived to be a cultural distinction... Specifically, in the US (and the west, more broadly) we ascribe a great deal of value to figuring out "what" to do commercially and "how" to do it technically. Most of our energy around IP are wrapped around this value and defe…

People also make parallels to government secrets, when every government does the same.

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I've found many "weird" repos in github with full codebases that should be secret (like SDKs, linux device drivers, etc) that were posted by Chinese people. I never understood the reason. I wonder if it's related to this?

can't say. But from my personal experience working for NEV's and attending nearly every ETSI workshop on 5G, SDN and other Future-Network topics I dare to claim that the IP theft, at least as reported by the media isn't true and most certainly smells politically motivated. Let me explain: from the late 90ies to the mid 2000 there were several rounds of mergers, consolidations in Telco, Siemens-COM, Nokia, A/LU, Erics…

Use to work in this space more in the 2G-3G era and a bit of 4G in packet core networks.

Interesting space and would love to know about how I can keep up (will shoot you an email if you do not mind)

A few semi-random thoughts: -Initially Huawei had that reputation of stealing back in the days when they were caught reverse engineering Cisco router OS code -They are also known to throw tons of people to any network issue including bespoke on the spot fixes (which would be a nightmare for support engineers, imagine a worst case where every client is running a specific version of code from all the hot fixes and custom patchs) -Growth in revenue has been unbelievable from the above. And yet their core equipment is banned in a few countries (US, Canada, Australia). A true Chinese success story.

Other thoughts: -NEV is a tough space, margin rates are so low yet your hip phone manufacturers are making bank $ -The patent wars are very real with a number of companies that are not not equipment makers (e.g. interdigital) that just collect royalties

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Not sure if they’re ahead in any area exactly. Do you have specifics?

Consumer drone technology. :-)

Indeed. And to answer my own question: Landing on the dark side of the moon.

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In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

Also as a Chinese speaker I would put this kind of misinformation into "subjective distortion based on partial facts in order to inject wrong meme into audience, intentionally or otherwise". As opposed to “blatant lie”. This misleading technique is much more powerful than "blatant lies" that only effective before cold war. The technique is used very often in Western main stream media and it's so powerful that many intelligent HN'ers are totally convinced by many misinformation about China. Any argument against their belief would be easily downvoted

I would substantiate the point a little more proof which missed in your claim:

To correctly understand an expression with some ambiguity it is necessary to put the expression under context for test. Here we have enough context for the common expression of “打破技术封锁”: When it is used in China media like TV, along with the expression are all the stories about how engineers work so hard and with their own innovations finally find good solutions. Never a single story about somebody steal an IP from others. I’m talking about the values that medias publicly promote. No society can become and sustain prosperity with a value of encouraging stealing.

On the other hand, we should also need think about how this kind of wrong and unfair bias comes from. There are reasons for that. A lot of wrong practice of Chinese companies during competition, (maybe including Huawei in early times in my personal opinion) lead to the strong bias toward Chinese companies today. The bias even it's unfair might be a pressure to force Chinese regulators to do better on making and enforcing IP policies which could benefit both domestic Chinese and foreign companies with better environment

There's a Chinese variant concept of open source called "Gongkai" could be helpful for technology advancement but that's another topic.

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In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

And "on the horse" means "right away". Doesn't mean you literally should get on a horse and get over here.

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From my link: "President Trump had previously publicly toyed with the idea of granting Ms. Meng freedom if it would help secure a trade deal, much to the dismay of law enforcement officials."

President Trump has toyed with a lot of stupid ideas that are dead on arrival.

Some of his stupid ideas play out though, like becoming president.

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> In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). Wow. This is a blatant lie. Where did you get this piece? The Chinese phrase means developing the technology to a certain level that an embargo no longer works as intended. There are plenty examples in space technologies - US prohibits NASA collaboration with China and there are indigenous innovation breakthrough from within like…

>Simply put, Huawei's products have better quality and companies in the US can't compete with it. >I'm now typing on a Huawei Matebook 13 and carrying a Huawei Mate 10 phone. Those things have amazing quality and it's a real pity customers can't have them in the States. You have an interesting post history supporting Huawei for an account only a month old...

Was that quoting from their flagged comment, or from their post history? Because if it's from the flagged comment, they posted exactly the same comment yesterday on another HN post:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19015649

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