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Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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Post by amimetic »

acdha wrote: post #84
olavgg wrote: post #11

I love Firefox and use it all the time, but for the last few years one of my biggest pains is the OSX performance on my Macbook Pro. Is this close to be resolved soon?

Are you using a non-native display resolution? That seems to be the common factor for people who have significant problems. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042

A scaled resolution is now default on most MacBooks. I haven't noticed battery problems but certainly seen RAM usage at least double that of Chrome and considerably above Safari.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

#102

Post by DCKing »

daleharvey wrote: post #75
brobdingnagians wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This brings up an interesting point about releasing software in general. If you spend huge amounts of time programming cool things and tuning every last knob, but then it is difficult for your average user to find out how to install and start to see all the cool things you've produced, when it would take far less time to just make an easy installer than it took you to make all the cool things, then there needs to be…

"Ubuntu and Debian" "average user" I dont disagree with your point, not sure it is relevant however.

The pretense that all Linux users should be (or already are) technically capable is really harmful to the ecosystem. No, you should not expect Ubuntu or Debian users to figure out on their own (1) why the tar.gz file they download doesn't do anything meaningful and (2) how they will get this version of Firefox instead without any further instructions.

Running Firefox from a tarball is a very specific use case for a small subset of highly technical users. Even if you figure out how to do it, the lack of system integration gives a very poor impression of the way things work on Linux. Even the vast majority of technical users don't want to run Firefox this way. Yet that's still what the website offers you.

We should be able to recommend at the very least Ubuntu to average users. And people do that, sometimes quite successfully. But with the attitude that all Linux users can save themselves - "we don't need to think about the UX" - we can't really keep doing that.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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Post by heroprotagonist »

oosjc9a5 wrote: post #3

A question regarding the advertisements they show on the home page: https://www.neowin.net/news/firefox-640-is-now-showing-a-boo... Are these ads introduced with these updates, or does Firefox include a backdoor so the Mozilla Corporation can show whatever they want on your home page?

I don't see this on mine, but I modified the defaults a long time ago.. My new tab page just has a list of 10 (out of 16) sites I added there manually. 6 of those are services I run on my local network.

Hit the gear at the top right of your new tab page. Uncheck boxes you don't want.

Optionally, disable Pocket completely by going to about:config in address bar. Search for 'extensions.pocket.enabled' and double click to change value from true to false.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

#104

Post by bepvte »

vishnu_ks wrote: post #46

I don't understand why Firefox doesn't include an option to download the .deb package instead of tar file for Ubuntu and Debian during release announcements. The market share is already shrinking and why make it harder for people to install or upgrade Firefox? Chrome does it. Why can't Firefox do that as well?

i hide my Tars in a ~/.opt/ directory, because i dont want to mess with root owned dirs but i also dont want an ugly home directory. as well, i prefer the tars bc the updates are fast and in the background, and get updated faster then packages.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

#105

Post by m-watson »

NamTaf wrote: post #15
sambe wrote: post #4

I feel like I've been waiting a long time for autoplay blocking - does this keep being pushed back or have I missed a feature cancellation/config setting/extension announcement?

I was hoping to see this pushed out by default because I agree that it's the best 'new' feature I've found in the browser in some time. You can change it in about:config, searching for 'media.autoplay'. I've changed the following: 1) Set 'ask permission' to true 2) Set 'block webaudio' to true 3) Set default to 2, which is 'ask per domain'. As I understand, the default of 0 is 'autoplay', 1 is 'block' and 2 is 'ask'…

Thank you for this, this makes me happy. I always forget to occasionally explore the about:config after a few updates.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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Post by detaro »

DCKing wrote: post #102
daleharvey wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Ubuntu and Debian" "average user" I dont disagree with your point, not sure it is relevant however.

The pretense that all Linux users should be (or already are) technically capable is really harmful to the ecosystem. No, you should not expect Ubuntu or Debian users to figure out on their own (1) why the tar.gz file they download doesn't do anything meaningful and (2) how they will get this version of Firefox instead without any further instructions. Running Firefox from a tarball is a very specific use case for a s…

Wouldn't the average Ubuntu user be best off by getting it through the Ubuntu package repo once it's updated there? Or doesn't Ubuntu have a channel that would provide that soon by default?

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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Post by ldng »

oosjc9a5 wrote: post #3

A question regarding the advertisements they show on the home page: https://www.neowin.net/news/firefox-640-is-now-showing-a-boo... Are these ads introduced with these updates, or does Firefox include a backdoor so the Mozilla Corporation can show whatever they want on your home page?

I think you missed the shift. It's all about internet openess now. Not sure the end user is still in the equation.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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Post by AsyncAwait »

vishnu_ks wrote: post #46

I don't understand why Firefox doesn't include an option to download the .deb package instead of tar file for Ubuntu and Debian during release announcements. The market share is already shrinking and why make it harder for people to install or upgrade Firefox? Chrome does it. Why can't Firefox do that as well?

Rather than a .deb, provide a PPA.

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

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Post by brobdingnagians »

daleharvey wrote: post #95
vishnu_ks wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmm. I upgrade my VSCode pretty much all the time they do a release because they provide a .deb file. Installing the upgrade is as simple as double-clicking on the file. I am sure pretty much all the users of Ubuntu and Debian are capable of doing a Firefox upgrade if they really wanted to. But no harm in making it easier.

Yup I wasnt saying we shouldnt provide .deb files, I dont know why we dont and sounds like a perfectly reasonable request. I was just replying to the comment making a point about being accessible to the average user, the average user of Firefox is not manually installing updates on Ubuntu

Hehe, point taken. That's the paretto principle too, spending a bunch of time on a small segment of your users wouldn't make much sense either, especially since most of them are fully capable of working with the system as it is.

Also, since it updates in place anyways, which is nifty, I guess this comment mainly applies to other software I've used which is a royal pain to install...

Re: Firefox 65.0 released

#110

Post by lugg »

NamTaf wrote: post #90
lugg wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What.. Have you even used FF in the last decade? It comes with tracker and 3rd party cookie blocking built in. Your accusation is a bit of a stretch. I guess you think I should use chrome? Because that has zero to do with serving me up more profitable advertising at all.. But aside from that, you do know you can disable everything on the home page under general preferences - including the ad section. And worst case i…

How is an accusation of it being an ad at all a stretch? It’s a placement offering a deal for a company, whether or not it was paid for. That seems to fit the definition of an ad to me. Furthermore, I’m not sure where you got the idea that I am telling you to move to chrome or indeed do anything at all, given the comment to which you replied says “me” 3 times in it. I was quite evidently purely asking about my own si…

It's not in the latest release it's from a release or two ago so you probably already have it disabled.

But its not only ads they serve up, it's closer to the Google Now feed you see on chrome new tabs in android or Google now.

The accusation was that they're not adding value or in fact negating it. My complaint was that Google or alternatives don't do nearly as much as they could to ad value - so to call out Firefox like this just makes no sense.

I will mention they're pushing pocket hard and I think this sis the route they're going for monetary gains. It's gross but it's pretty easy to remove it all from context menus via user chrome CSS anyway.

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