Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
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Re: Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
#2 Loyola is an EEO employer that seeks applications from women and members of minority groups.
Re: Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
#3> The position is restricted by the Clare Boothe Luce bequest to the Henry Luce Foundation to women who are U.S. citizens.
Sounds to me like their options are a) use this money to hire a woman or b) don't get the money and don't hire anyone. Is "don't hire anyone" the better option?
EDIT: More information on the Clare Boothe Luce Program here: http://www.hluce.org/cblprogram.aspx
Re: Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
#4I guess I've never bothered wondering about the implications of (the lack of) restrictions on giving your money away. Part of me thinks that Loyola could never put out a want ad saying men need not apply. However, since the money is from a philanthropic program, that somehow sidesteps the process and makes it acceptable. I can see starting an endowment to open up a position, but what are the ethical and moral implications of putting restrictions on the position that run contrary to our societal norms? Could this mechanism be (ab)used by organizations that wish to be within the law but also be prejudicial about their hiring? Is this comparable to making an endowment to hire underprivileged white men only, or is this something else entirely?
I think in academia, everybody is so quick to accept money that some important questions are tossed aside and controversial conversations are avoided. This may not have been thought through, or it may have been stewed over by some people in a back room. I don't know. What I do know is that I don't hear a whole lot of talking about prejudicial philanthropy these days. I'm not sure what this means. Is anybody else aware of a running (decent/scholarly/well-thought-out) conversation on this topic?
Re: Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
#5Loyola is an EEO employer that seeks applications from women and members of minority groups. Yeah... because "women and members of minority groups" is clearly an "equal opportunity".
Yeah... because "women and members of minority groups" is clearly an "equal opportunity".
It absolutely is. Men are a minority group, so "women and members of minority groups" includes everybody. ;-)
Re: Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
#6> The position is restricted by the Clare Boothe Luce bequest to the Henry Luce Foundation to women who are U.S. citizens. Sounds to me like their options are a) use this money to hire a woman or b) don't get the money and don't hire anyone. Is "don't hire anyone" the better option? EDIT: More information on the Clare Boothe Luce Program here: http://www.hluce.org/cblprogram.aspx
Don't take the money.
To do otherwise is saying you should choose to get paid to be sexist.
Re: Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
#7I guess I've never bothered wondering about the implications of (the lack of) restrictions on giving your money away. Part of me thinks that Loyola could never put out a want ad saying men need not apply. However, since the money is from a philanthropic program, that somehow sidesteps the process and makes it acceptable. I can see starting an endowment to open up a position, but what are the ethical and moral implica…
I'm also surprised that the funding source requirement somehow makes this discrimination arms-reach and hence legal. If i was a millionaire homophobe, could i create a fund for positions that specified "no gays"?
Re: Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
#8Loyola is an EEO employer that seeks applications from women and members of minority groups. Yeah... because "women and members of minority groups" is clearly an "equal opportunity".
They just didn't say who they provide equal opportunity to!
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#9"The position is restricted by [the bequest] to women who are U.S. citizens." This discrimination against women who are legally qualified to work in the U.S. but non-citizens is appalling. Female green card holders unite!
Re: Applications for tenure track CS position restricted to women only
#10I guess I've never bothered wondering about the implications of (the lack of) restrictions on giving your money away. Part of me thinks that Loyola could never put out a want ad saying men need not apply. However, since the money is from a philanthropic program, that somehow sidesteps the process and makes it acceptable. I can see starting an endowment to open up a position, but what are the ethical and moral implica…
I'm also surprised that the funding source requirement somehow makes this discrimination arms-reach and hence legal. If i was a millionaire homophobe, could i create a fund for positions that specified "no gays"?
Well, the harder question to answer is if you have some money, why is giving it solely to certain groups offensive and certain other groups not? Why would no one get angry if, say, the applications were limited to professors from the area? Or professors above a certain age? If I choose to never give my money to strangers, should strangers be offended? Should they be allowed to legally retaliate?
I understand that in a situation like "no gays" it offends that certain group of people and is discriminatory, but on the other hand, why does the government get to say at all who you should or shouldn't give your money to? It seems like if person X owns thing Y, then they should decide what to do with it, and no one else is entitled to Y (or a chance at getting Y) other than X.
I guess the same goes for employment too. I think discrimination is stupid and the hiring process should be a meritocracy. On the other hand, if I own a business, what business is it of others telling me who I should and should not hire?
I'm genuinely in a moral dilemma here, and I don't know the answer. Any thoughts?