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Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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Global does not mean "affecting absolutely everyone around the globe (or disc, for the flatearthers out there)". Affecting a "significant subset of users" that are spread around every continent is global and it shows it's not one specific DC, link, or ISP that was affected. The fact that you didn't experience the disruption means absolutely nothing and it's ridiculous to even suggest it does. Especially since there a…

Global outage implies everyone on the planet. Outages globally would imply what you've stated.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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Semi-related, but can anyone suggest good open source email client? I'm working on several computers with macos/linux and Gmail isn't slow only on my deep learning rig, so I'm looking for something to replace it.

mbsync/notmuch/Emacs. I'm the happiest I've ever been with email using that combination. I've explained the basics of my setup before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17882707 (Granted, I'm a heavy Emacs user, so I'm predisposed to like writing emails in Emacs.)

I use something similar but offlineimap/notmuch/emacs, and it's the happiest I've been with email too.

I previously used elm, mutt, sup, and probably a few other clients, but none of them felt as configurable and complete as my current set-up.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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post #15

Semi-related, but can anyone suggest good open source email client? I'm working on several computers with macos/linux and Gmail isn't slow only on my deep learning rig, so I'm looking for something to replace it.

I went through this process a few weeks ago when I was switching to Linux as my primary machine. There simply are no great open source options right now for email clients. Below are general summaries of my notes.

Also, worth noting, most of these clients cannot handle Gmail's style of label handling.

If you feel like dealing with terminal based and text only email, I'm sure Mutt is fine. I'm not sure this is realistic for most people.

Evolution is a decent client with very minimal, basic features. It does allow handling of multiple email accounts but it didn't do a very good job of it. There are no plugins. It was often slow to perform actions like archiving or deleting (as if it did them in real time rather than in the background), which meant I couldn't quickly go through and process a list of emails. I had to pause between each action.

Geary was somewhat like Evolution but even more minimal. It has almost zero configuration options and no plugins. It's a very good looking email client, so if you have simple requirements and like the aesthetic it might be a good option.

Thunderbird was the most promising. A rich plugin ecosystem, better handling of multiple accounts. But it was buggy, a memory hog (6 GB RAM and 25% of my CPU when idling), and it would crash on me. There seems to be some history behind it that I didn't get into, but many plugins were not compatible with my version of Thunderbird. For example, I couldn't use the calendar because my version was too new. If critical plugins are going to be disabled any time I update the app, well, that's not worth dealing with to me.

Claws Mail was okay, even if dated looking. It had no contacts or calendar support. There were a few plugins but nothing like what Thunderbird offered. It had a few bugs, like when I switched folders it would scroll to random messages, and overall was too limited for my usage.

Mailspring is the best open source option I discovered. It's somewhat slow at times and can be buggy, but overall performed better for me than Thunderbird. It has some advanced features built in, handles Gmail labels perfectly, and is very clean looking. The biggest downside is that 1) it requires a Mailspring account (though it doesn't send your emails through Mailspring) and 2) is based off a monthly subscription (with a free option). In other words, you're generally dependent on the continuation of the Mailspring service for ongoing operation of your email client.

If open source is not a strict requirement and you are on Windows, Mailbird is the best email client I've ever used. It nails almost everything out of the box, is lightning fast, and has always been stable. If Mailspring doesn't work out for me I'm likely going to switch to using Mailbird in Wine.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the main factors that could lead to such a situation?

From the first SRE book [1]: "The error budget stems from the observation that 100% is the wrong reliability target for basically everything (pacemakers and anti-lock brakes being notable exceptions). In general, for any software service or system, 100% is not the right reliability target because no user can tell the difference between a system being 100% available and 99.999% available. There are many other systems…

Please, please stop using mono space for quotes. It’s hard to read on small screens. Just > is better.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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post #33

Global does not mean "affecting absolutely everyone around the globe (or disc, for the flatearthers out there)". Affecting a "significant subset of users" that are spread around every continent is global and it shows it's not one specific DC, link, or ISP that was affected. The fact that you didn't experience the disruption means absolutely nothing and it's ridiculous to even suggest it does. Especially since there a…

I bet you're fun at parties.

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Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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Does not appear to be any problems today in Switzerland. "Global" might be overstating it? Edit: actual status page says "significant subset of users": https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en-GB&v=status

Given how many services it affected and the mention of 404 errors, I would suspect a GFE bug or bad configuration that started rolling out worldwide (hence the geographically diverse, but not 100% spread of the issue). A decade ago, Tuesdays were a special day for GFEs, but that hasn't been the case for years now. Perhaps it's just the Tuesday curse that persists. :-)

My money is either on that or the static content service.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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post #57

Does not appear to be any problems today in Switzerland. "Global" might be overstating it? Edit: actual status page says "significant subset of users": https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en-GB&v=status

Given how many services it affected and the mention of 404 errors, I would suspect a GFE bug or bad configuration that started rolling out worldwide (hence the geographically diverse, but not 100% spread of the issue). A decade ago, Tuesdays were a special day for GFEs, but that hasn't been the case for years now. Perhaps it's just the Tuesday curse that persists. :-) My money is either on that or the static content…

GFE?
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