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FaceTime bug lets you hear audio of person you are calling before they pick up

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Re: FaceTime bug lets you hear audio of person you are calling before they pick up

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Post by enedil »

nolok wrote: post #316
yalok wrote: post #255

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My guess is that it’s an unfortunate combination of several problems: - audio and video capture has to start going before call is actually established at signaling level, in order to minimize call establishment delay. Audio maybe going through Bluetooth, for example, and waking up Handsfree mode of BT may take 1-2 sec - most of the group calling functionality was developed by a separate team, and group calling signal…

> audio and video capture has to start going before call is actually established at signaling level, in order to minimize call establishment delay. Audio maybe going through Bluetooth, for example, and waking up Handsfree mode of BT may take 1-2 sec As a user, while I can accept capture starting before I answer, I cannot accept sending. I understand how it helps the speed of establishing calls. But it means the only…

But your comment it missing the point. Parent commenter said it needs to start recording audio and video earlier, and a combination of other circumstances cause the device to send the data. Nobody argues this is acceptable.

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Post by apple_pol_throw »

I worry about Apple. Software quality has been dropping, but it's not Swift or some other specific technology that's the problem. It's talent. The company has had a hard time attracting very senior talent.

The difficulty is self-imposed and comes from leadership's strict policy of not paying market wages at the high end. Multiple hiring managers at Apple have complained to me that they've lost good people because the company just won't match offers from the Googles and Facebooks of the world. Apple refuses to acknowledge the reality of the market.

Given that Apple's most experienced people keep retiring and that Apple isn't replacing them with equals, I expect software quality to continue to drop until leadership decides to abandon its shortsighted comp restrictions.

[Posting from a throwaway for obvious reasons]

Re: FaceTime bug lets you hear audio of person you are calling before they pick up

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Post by SilasX »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #234
konschubert wrote: post #222

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Edit: Deleted my comment because I felt it wasn’t constructive.

There was one guy on reddit who had a scare when his computer flashed a picture of a dead person when shutting down, and he thought his computer was haunted. It turned out to be a frame from a youtube video he was watching earlier. It may be that macOS is not that good at clearing out GPU memory sometimes.

I’ve long had a similar problem on iOS. Whenever I return to an app, I briefly see an image from a few minutes ago. Which can be bad if I’m showing the phone to someone that old state was exposing sensitive data.

Re: FaceTime bug lets you hear audio of person you are calling before they pick up

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Post by jekub »

hopler wrote: post #106
pbh101 wrote: post #64

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One of the headlining features of the latest iOS release was performance.

That's computing's tick tock release pattern in general. Tick new features, tock optimizes performance.

Then, how do you explain that the last update improved performance a lot on older devices ? Last time I've checked there was no hardware upgrades in the downloaded update...

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Post by peteretep »

yoz-y wrote: post #307
paulie_a wrote: post #164

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That just seems like a good idea anyways. FaceTime as a product just flat out seems stupid.

Why? I use it all the time and in terms of simplicity it beats all other video calling products.

I'll take a stab at that, although I don't think it's stupid per-se. Everyone I talk to, I talk to via WhatsApp, LINE, or FB Messenger, and generally I only use that method to talk to them, whatever else they're on. All of those have easy one-press buttons to initiate video call. Using some kind of Apple-only technology?

I mean I think most people I know are probably on an iPhone, but having to remember everyone's device to know if they can FaceTime? Ugh. I suspect I could work out how to FaceTime someone if you made me, but I'd have to work it out rather than just knowing it.

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Post by neya »

npunt wrote: post #292
blazespin wrote: post #285

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What possible motivation would anyone have for reporting a real bug of this nature like this? Other than, yeah, found a crazy bug.

Stock manipulation perhaps? Happens a lot with Tesla apparently, short sellers will pump up any negative story and try to get it into press. This person was making several attempts to get in contact with press after all, and a story about a teenager finding a big privacy bug in a company that publicly touts its privacy chops has ‘news at 11’ written all over it. Personally I think a bug report story is not a particul…

Is it still called stock manipulation if the bug is critical and for real and the company deserves to lose shareholder value simply for the critical nature of the bug?

Imagine how many people are vulnerable out there - I'm already starting to read some complaints on the internet that some people were unknowingly sharing a video of them taking a shower, etc.

Re: FaceTime bug lets you hear audio of person you are calling before they pick up

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Post by lolc »

jacobush wrote: post #253
Buge wrote: post #210

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How would E2E encryption stop a modified client? E2E protects against MITM. But we're not talking about MITM.

It could send the data but only on call accept give a session key

That would still expose the pre-accept audio on accept.

Re: FaceTime bug lets you hear audio of person you are calling before they pick up

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Post by AJRF »

jodrellblank wrote: post #281
seanp2k2 wrote: post #123

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Let's not forget https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2013-1050/ and https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2015-7496/ and https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2017-8900/ (to a lesser extent). Check out https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=... for more fun.

not forgetting https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/04/i-told-you-so-again/

!WARNING! - This now redirects to an image of a hairy testicle. I think the site owner noticed the traffic and put in a redirect.

Re: FaceTime bug lets you hear audio of person you are calling before they pick up

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Post by obituary_latte »

jodrellblank wrote: post #281
seanp2k2 wrote: post #123

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Let's not forget https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2013-1050/ and https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2015-7496/ and https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2017-8900/ (to a lesser extent). Check out https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=... for more fun.

not forgetting https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/04/i-told-you-so-again/

wtf. Clicking your link brought me to http://i.imgur.com/rG0p0b2.gif somehow. jwz doing a referrer troll?? Anyone else see this?

Re: FaceTime bug lets you hear audio of person you are calling before they pick up

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Post by obituary_latte »

AJRF wrote: post #338
jodrellblank wrote: post #281

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not forgetting https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/04/i-told-you-so-again/

!WARNING! - This now redirects to an image of a hairy testicle. I think the site owner noticed the traffic and put in a redirect.

Heh just saw/posted the same. I think you’re right - jwz being a little trolly.
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