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Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

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Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

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For those who can afford it, the Uplift Desk[0] is the best desk I've ever used -- very sturdy and there's even a reclaimed wood option. Huge sizes available (if you're into lots of table space) and the resale value is pretty decent (to other nerds/people who want lots of nice looking desk space). Also never had a problem with the motor/setup. You can often order them through local office supply mom & pops IIRC -- wa…

LOL at reclaimed wood being twice the price of new wood. Wouldn’t be surprised if the carbon footprint of reclaiming the wood is higher than growing new bamboo too. It’s like an environmentalist taking a private jet to Davos.

Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My BEKANT does not wobble at all.

The conflicting anecdotes of "wobble" vs "no wobble" of the BEKANT desk in this thread are fascinating. Last year, I played around with the BEKANT standing desk on display at the IKEA store and (in my perception) it wobbled. It's the same type of wobble that a youtuber demonstrated[0]. There are others in this thread that complain about wobble.[1] And yet some people say there's no wobble -- and I believe them . My a…

LOL. A lot of pop psychology and very little mention of manufacturing variations, assembly variations, or situational variations (warped floors or weird humidity etc)

Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

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There's no need to buy an expensive moving desk, simply buy a tall desk and tall chair, then get off it when you'd like to stand. If there's a wobbling problem push it against the wall, with Patrull corner protectors or similar.

Other people have different mobility issues than you. Sitting in a stool with their feet off the floor might not work for them.

Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

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As much of the discussion has diverged from the post to standing desks in general, I thought I would throw in my own anecdotes.

I got a standing desk frame in 2014 and added my own desktop and monitor stands. You can see what I did here:

https://www.michevan.id.au/posts/sit-stand-desk/

I've found it to be really good for me. I tend to sit most of the time, but stand while working for an hour in the morning, and an hour in the afternoon. (Little "Stand" and "Sit" reminders pop-up on my computer to keep my on schedule.)

It would be nice to have position memory like the controller in the post offers, but is not a big issue (given this is not a shared desk). A nice-to-have but not a deal-breaker.

If you are going to adjust the height regularly, motorized is the way to go. You want to eliminate any disincentive that makes it that little bit harder and makes you think, "I wont bother today." Cranking a handle included.

A standing desk with a "tall chair" isn't that ergonomically friendly as your feet are either hanging or on the little foot stand of the chair (if there is one). I like to be able to vary my position more than that to remain comfortable.

Side-note: I also have a presence sensor on my desk - https://www.michevan.id.au/posts/are-you-there/ - which includes a switch to tell if the desk is in sitting position or not. In theory I could collect data on how much time I spend at my desk and in what configurations, but I still haven't got around to properly setting up my MQTT server and such.

Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

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For those who can afford it, the Uplift Desk[0] is the best desk I've ever used -- very sturdy and there's even a reclaimed wood option. Huge sizes available (if you're into lots of table space) and the resale value is pretty decent (to other nerds/people who want lots of nice looking desk space). Also never had a problem with the motor/setup. You can often order them through local office supply mom & pops IIRC -- wa…

Can someone explain how or why these are any better than a Jarvis despite being $100+ more expensive? I'm in the market and don't really see any major differences.

Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you really believe that all the bekants, after assembly, are perfectly identical so that the only remaining variable is the observer's subjectivity? They may not be identical but I think subjective detection/annoyance of a wobble is the most likely difference because of the physics of how the desk is assembled. If you're not familiar with the BEKANT desk, this video[0] shows what the underside looks like. (Please no…

ok, but the facts you present don't really isolate the cause (i.e., rule out other possibilities) of (the perception of) wobble. you'd need to prove that all desks, when assembled by random people, have largely similar wobble characteristics (or the much harder proof that wobble varies with the perceptive tolerances of the observer). however, as you allude, the engineers were constrained by ikea's affordability (chea…

>this is a simpler explanation for the observed phenomena (apply occam's razor here). certainly more than one explanation might conjointly apply, but yours is the more complicated explanation and thus implores more observation and measurement.

And I thought Occam's Razor as guidance made the basic physics of the joints making wobbling unavoidable was the simpler explanation. I think we have different exposure to this product. I actually examined this desk at the store. If you look at the pdf[0] of the assembly, you'll notice 2 bolts that attach the pedestal to the posts. It doesn't matter how much one tightens the bolts because when you extend the desk past 40 inches with a heavy weight on the top (20+ pounds), that T joint will flex and deform. (See 1st video I cited for example).

As analogy, here's example of unstable weight distribution on the end of a joint (car and trailer): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mW_gzdh6to

One doesn't need to examine 1000 different cars towing a heavy weight on the back to determine that it's unstable and will fishtail. The basic physics of the configuration will make it fishtail. That's the type of Occam's Razor I'm using. Yes, there will be variances in how the trailer hitches were installed to the vehicle, and also variances in the trailer ball diameter -- but those are not the dominant factors. To continue the analogy, some drivers with misconfigured weight distribution may not notice any fishtailing because they drove slower than 40 mph, or they didn't make any sudden steering overcorrections etc. Same situation with some desk users reporting no wobble by using it a shorter height, or placing it against the wall, or just not subjectively noticing it.

If one makes a desk that lets people put 20+ pounds at the end of a 40-inch extended pole that's attached to 2 bolts -- without triangle stiffeners, or welds, or cross-bracing, or whatever, ...it's going to wobble at least little bit. Based on hands-on experience with the desk, I contend the underlying physics of the assembly design overwhelms any deviations in manufacturing tolerances. Or put another way, if we consider the entire Gaussian distribution of manufacturing variances, all of the desk samples will still exhibit wobble to some degree as shown in the 1st Youtube video. Some may wobble less; some may wobble more. E.g. the telescoping cylinders (not CNC milled) that the users do not assemble may have variances that add to the total wobble.

I noticed others in this thread mentioned that the newer IKEA model IDASEN "solves" the wobble. (Or minimizes it.) If we look at its alternative design[1], lo and behold, we see that desk has added diagonal bars on the legs for extra support. Yes, it makes sense that structural triangles are stronger and stiffer than just 2 bolts fastening a T joint of the BEKANT.

[0] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/assembly_instructions/bekant-sit-...

[1] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S29280934/

Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

#137

For those who can afford it, the Uplift Desk[0] is the best desk I've ever used -- very sturdy and there's even a reclaimed wood option. Huge sizes available (if you're into lots of table space) and the resale value is pretty decent (to other nerds/people who want lots of nice looking desk space). Also never had a problem with the motor/setup. You can often order them through local office supply mom & pops IIRC -- wa…

Can someone explain how or why these are any better than a Jarvis despite being $100+ more expensive? I'm in the market and don't really see any major differences.

They are the same. Exactly. If you dig down into it, all the standing desk companies (that have that 4 position controller) are just putting their own branding and desk tops on top of the exact same motor and controller.

Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

#139

I love my Bekant desk. You can download a mobile app that can control the motor via Bluetooth, and it has three memory settings.

whats the app called?

Desk Control by a company called Linak. It's not the best app--I keep having to reconnect via the bluetooth--but for the price of the Bekant, and knowing I don't change heights often, it works for me.

Re: Open-Source Controller for the IKEA Bekant Standing Desk

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post #131

For those who can afford it, the Uplift Desk[0] is the best desk I've ever used -- very sturdy and there's even a reclaimed wood option. Huge sizes available (if you're into lots of table space) and the resale value is pretty decent (to other nerds/people who want lots of nice looking desk space). Also never had a problem with the motor/setup. You can often order them through local office supply mom & pops IIRC -- wa…

LOL at reclaimed wood being twice the price of new wood. Wouldn’t be surprised if the carbon footprint of reclaiming the wood is higher than growing new bamboo too. It’s like an environmentalist taking a private jet to Davos.

The price appears to be for the Teak, which is a quite expensive wood. The Doug Fir isn’t available yet but I would expect it to be less expensive
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