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U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by z2 »

educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

Interesting--is this a euphemism ingrained in industries, or is this explicitly defined somewhere? I just searched for some articles (limited, using Google translate), and the articles mainly glorify research work, and sometimes talk about reverse engineering. The latter is a gray area, and maybe I'm missing the point, but these articles are along the lines of, "We've broken through the technical blockade on satellite positioning with our own Beidou system!" and not, "Hooray, we broke the evil western monopoly by stealing their technology!"

http://news.baidu.com/ns?word=打破技术封锁

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by unstatusthequo »

ndnxhs wrote: post #38
baroffoos wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sharing knowledge and advancing technology for everyone is something to be proud of. Society needs to end the practice of hoarding private knowledge.

Its sad to think how many amazing inventions never get used because they are encumbered by patents or kept secret.

Then what incentive do I have to spend money and innovate when everyone else can capitalize on it? That comment is a demotivational one for innovation in that it doesn't reward the entity that spend time and resources making it a reality.

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Post by yumraj »

vkou wrote: post #50
educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

> Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater > He memorized the designs of textile factory machinery as an apprentice to a pioneer in the British industry before migrating to the United States at the age of…

I don't know who you are or what your agenda is, but any sane person would argue that citing something that happened in early 1800s does not make the same thing OK in 2019.

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Post by charlesdm »

educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

> Huawei could call/email you the next day (in Chinese of course) if they find something they want to buy to get ahead.

That's not stealing? That's just acquiring interesting tech.

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Post by justicezyx »

educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

> Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it.

Citations please.

These reports universally proclaim the protagonists‘ self reliance and preservation.

These reports might well be cover up of the stealing, but your statement is to me plain ridiculous.

Applying common knowledge, if Chinese nationals really is blatant to praise stealing on public news outlets, why do you still think any foreign company can make any money?!

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Post by baroffoos »

peteradio wrote: post #49
naringas wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that if we got rid of those incentives people would still innovate

If someone stole their invention and made money off it?? Why the hell would anyone want to invest time into that? Its not like the Chinese are pursuing some ideology of free knowledge, no they are trying to scoop for profit.

Why do people work on open source or give up time for charity? Not everyone is focused purely on collecting more money when their needs are already covered.

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by baroffoos »

unstatusthequo wrote: post #52
ndnxhs wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its sad to think how many amazing inventions never get used because they are encumbered by patents or kept secret.

Then what incentive do I have to spend money and innovate when everyone else can capitalize on it? That comment is a demotivational one for innovation in that it doesn't reward the entity that spend time and resources making it a reality.

Inventions could be publicly funded and then the findings be made available to everyone. We already pay for all the inventions we use indirectly so why not just fund them to begin with and actually have access to this information.

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Post by mmmmmmmmm »

Taniwha wrote: post #37

On what planet is the idea of making a robot with a mechanical finger to press phones to test them a trade secret .... (as a phone developer) it's so blooming obvious I've spent hours of meeting discussing exactly this It's only a trade secret if you think the entire rest of the world is stupid

I think it'd be foolish for any US or Canadian citizen to travel to China right now.

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Post by kuhhk »

charlesdm wrote: post #54
educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

> Huawei could call/email you the next day (in Chinese of course) if they find something they want to buy to get ahead. That's not stealing? That's just acquiring interesting tech.

I worked at a competitor of them, across the street from Huawei. It was common knowledge that they interviewed people without the intention to hire them, acted super interested, and asked increasingly pointed questions to get you to violate your NDAs, and describe projects you shouldn’t. And they would do the same to those they hired. These are personal anecdotes, but I’m not surprised by these accusations.
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