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Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food

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>Few of these fans would recognise much of what’s sold today. The white flakes many of us grew up shaking from a green can aren’t parmesan, not even close. Within the EU, both Parmigiano-Reggiano and its anglicised version, “parmesan”, are legally registered terms protected by the PDO – protected designation of origin – label since 1996. But in the US, the law protects only the name “Parmigiano-Reggiano” (In the EU,…

does the PDO actually guarantee quality? It guarantees it's made in a particular region, and the case for it is that certain ingredients are only available in that region but, for example, I often buy own-brand 'Italian-style hard cheese', which is effectively the same, it's just made outside of Italy so can't share the name. Call me cynical, DPOs seem abused and more about protecting regional industries as apposed t…

Well, I suppose nothing can really guarantee quality--the requirements simply make it more difficult to screw up.

For instance, pulling from this article[0]:

>In the highly sanctioned world of Parmigiano-Reggiano, cows graze in pastures; their diet must consist of at least 75 percent local grass. Here in the United States, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) doesn’t mandate diet, and cows typically aren’t pastured; manufacturers reported using various feeds, including hay, corn, soybeans, and grains.

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> Another factor: raw versus pasteurized milk. In Italy, Parmigiano-Reggiano is always made from raw milk. In the States, the milk is typically pasteurized first. This step kills off potentially dangerous organisms and yields a more consistent product. The downside? The heating process also kills off flavorful microorganisms.

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>The aging step affects both flavor and texture. Once the wheels come out of the salt bath, they’re set on racks in climate-controlled rooms to age. As the cheese sits, lactic acid forms, and the acid causes proteins in the cheese to squeeze together, which in turn forces out moisture. Parmigiano-Reggianos are required to age for at least 12 months, though most are left for 24. Meanwhile, the FDA mandates a minimum of just 10 months for Parmesan. Thus, the domestic cheeses tended to be rubbery, while the imports were dry and crumbly.

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So again, you could make a hard cheese that follows none of the requirements but still tastes pretty good. You could also make a Parmigiano-Reggiano that tastes like crap. But if you follow all of the standards, you will more likely come alot closer to replicating the taste of what we associate with Parmigiano-Reggiano than a vat of hard cheese that some guy cooked up in his basement. The standards are specifically there to curtail the shortcuts (less aging, lower-quality ingredients) that unscrupulous companies try to sneak into their cheeses and market as premium, "aged" Parmesan.

[0]https://www.americastestkitchen.com/taste_tests/1695-superma...

Re: Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food

#62

>Few of these fans would recognise much of what’s sold today. The white flakes many of us grew up shaking from a green can aren’t parmesan, not even close. Within the EU, both Parmigiano-Reggiano and its anglicised version, “parmesan”, are legally registered terms protected by the PDO – protected designation of origin – label since 1996. But in the US, the law protects only the name “Parmigiano-Reggiano” (In the EU,…

does the PDO actually guarantee quality? It guarantees it's made in a particular region, and the case for it is that certain ingredients are only available in that region but, for example, I often buy own-brand 'Italian-style hard cheese', which is effectively the same, it's just made outside of Italy so can't share the name. Call me cynical, DPOs seem abused and more about protecting regional industries as apposed t…

AFAIK it does. More than quality is the way they were made.

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There's a lot of woo in that article. Yes, Parmesan is made to strict rules; no, i probably couldn't tell it from Grana Padano if i was blindfolded. And there's an effort from Wisconsin that is apparently very good: https://www.thekitchn.com/a-morethanworthy-replacement-f-132...

>no, i probably couldn't tell it from Grana Padano if i was blindfolded. Maybe you lack a sense of smell? Seriously you don't even have to put it in your mouth it already smells quite different... I buy the cheapest imported stuff here in eastern europe and the difference is...well they're two different types of cheese. They just taste different.

I don't eat cheese regularly and I can taste the difference between Parmigianno Reggiano and Grana Padano when I eat them as-is (not when shaved in a pasta though -- it's harder when it's in a pasta, which is why GP is often used as a cheaper substitute for PR). Otherwise PR tastes much "nuttier" owing to glumates, which is also one of its standout characteristics.

There's another cheese, Pecorino Romano, that's distinctly salty and really good on Carbonara.

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#64

>Few of these fans would recognise much of what’s sold today. The white flakes many of us grew up shaking from a green can aren’t parmesan, not even close. Within the EU, both Parmigiano-Reggiano and its anglicised version, “parmesan”, are legally registered terms protected by the PDO – protected designation of origin – label since 1996. But in the US, the law protects only the name “Parmigiano-Reggiano” (In the EU,…

Question for the HC crowd :

Eat the rind or not?

I do, only after the rest is gone.

Re: Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food

#65

>Few of these fans would recognise much of what’s sold today. The white flakes many of us grew up shaking from a green can aren’t parmesan, not even close. Within the EU, both Parmigiano-Reggiano and its anglicised version, “parmesan”, are legally registered terms protected by the PDO – protected designation of origin – label since 1996. But in the US, the law protects only the name “Parmigiano-Reggiano” (In the EU,…

Question for the HC crowd : Eat the rind or not? I do, only after the rest is gone.

I don't eat it by itself. I put it in a ziplock bag and stash it in the freezer. Then I pull it out whenever I'm making a savory soup or stew and drop the rind in, usually to be fished out before serving (like a bay leaf). It adds great umami flavor to the dish.

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There are good American variants. "Parmigiano-Reggiano" may be protected, but it doesnt mean that the only good cheese is coming from Italy. https://www.belgioioso.com/Products/American-Grana https://www.belgioioso.com/Products/Parmesan Check out section H - https://1sskha48hhbhl0oc61bhsagh-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-... https://wccc.myentries.org/contest/results/?event=61&eventCl... They won first place in America a…

I'm Italian living in California, I looked far and wide for reasonable alternatives and wished to find good stuff here. You can give yourself all the medals you want but it won't make you the real deal, the stuff you mentioned might be passable grated but it's not even remotely the same when consumed by itself.

I’m originally American living in Europe at the moment (where regional food trademark labels are honored) and I have to say — real Parmesan is utterly pure magic ...

Re: Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food

#67

>Few of these fans would recognise much of what’s sold today. The white flakes many of us grew up shaking from a green can aren’t parmesan, not even close. Within the EU, both Parmigiano-Reggiano and its anglicised version, “parmesan”, are legally registered terms protected by the PDO – protected designation of origin – label since 1996. But in the US, the law protects only the name “Parmigiano-Reggiano” (In the EU,…

Question for the HC crowd : Eat the rind or not? I do, only after the rest is gone.

Save it. When you have enough for everybody at the table: GRILL IT, until the rind side gets charred and gets a crunchy thin layer and the cheese side gets kinda soft. Fork and knife, eat it until it's hot (don't burn yourself :D)

This is how my family does it :)

Re: Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food

#68
post #8

>Few of these fans would recognise much of what’s sold today. The white flakes many of us grew up shaking from a green can aren’t parmesan, not even close. Within the EU, both Parmigiano-Reggiano and its anglicised version, “parmesan”, are legally registered terms protected by the PDO – protected designation of origin – label since 1996. But in the US, the law protects only the name “Parmigiano-Reggiano” (In the EU,…

There are good American variants. "Parmigiano-Reggiano" may be protected, but it doesnt mean that the only good cheese is coming from Italy. https://www.belgioioso.com/Products/American-Grana https://www.belgioioso.com/Products/Parmesan Check out section H - https://1sskha48hhbhl0oc61bhsagh-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-... https://wccc.myentries.org/contest/results/?event=61&eventCl... They won first place in America a…

WTF? The official website photo of "American Grana" shows a wheel with holes. This is not Swiss cheese: it's a major defect that is evidence of bad fermentation.

Apart from the demented indications (the "Parmesan" is aged far too little to allow grating) and recipes (e.g. Aglio e Olio spaghetti, the most inappropriate place to put grated cheese of any type on), these wheels are seriously tiny, presumably for industrial production reasons.

It would be nice to find details about their production process, especially what they do with cream.

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post #30
post #13

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Not everyone needs Parmagiano-Reggiano. You can buy parmesan to put on your microwaved pasta and it will be Very Good(TM). No need to waste good quality DOP on that. As with all cheeses, "parmesan" labeled cheeses will also vary in quality. Go for what your wallet + taste buds tell you to pick. There really are good quality "parmesan" brands out there. Maybe not the cheapest stuff in your grocery store, but as long a…

> You can buy parmesan to put on your microwaved pasta Jesus Christ you almost gave me a heart attack

Sometimes I buy the yellow cheese slices at the grocery store without reading what kind they are.

Re: Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food

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I buy parmagiano-regianno and find it goes off and starts going moudly at the back (circular bit) after a couple of weeks. Do you keep it in the fridge, wrapped, what? How do you store it so it lasts so long?

Cut the mold off, it wont kill you, its completely safe to do so with hard cheeses.

Or abrade the mold off. Don't be afraid to cut beyond the rind into the proper cheese: almost all of the surface of a piece of cheese is interior in any case and the rind is important for whole wheels aging on a shelf, not to preserve a wedge in the fridge for a few weeks.
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