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#21
My takeaway from Birdbox is the old adage: "Any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse once pressure is placed upon it for control purposes."

Sure it got tons of views because of all the advertisement and the tons of focus on viral media advertisement on every single platform. But the reaction from people watching it before me when asked if it was good was "Well I mean, I did watch it to the end, but i wouldn't call it good". Personally I didn't care for it. It was a huge and expensive stunt by Netflix to show that they could game viewer numbers for a one-shot thing. And I get that this is an important thing for them to do, but it's in no way sustainable or valuable either to them or their viewers.

If they did more stunts like bird-box throughout the year, most would quickly start to completely ignore them with an attitude of "Oh sure I head about X, and it's "blowing up on facebook" but that's always the case with Netflix focus pieces, they aren't worth watching though."

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post #18

A lot of observers, especially on HN, worry about the balkanization of video streaming content and see it as hindering Netflix's growth. In my opinion, I don't really see it. When the dust settles I think we'll see Netflix and Amazon as the duopoly of this era of video streaming. I don't think Disney's streaming service is out to compete with Netflix directly, to me it's more of a play to leverage the Disney brand an…

FWIW, Netflix will no longer be able to license Daredevil shows from Marvel / Disney. I think a lot of folks signed up for Netflix to watch that catalog of films and shows specifically, including the latest Avengers and whatnot.

I think the more likely scenario is Hulu goes away and we're left with Amazon, Disney/ESPN and Netflix. And HBO, of course.

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#23
I would only speak anecdotally and from what I've observed from people I know. Thus I don't try to infer anything at all, but at least locally I've found it remarkable: in a couple of years, Netflix has become synonym of streaming in their mind, it has really become a thing. They are watching Netflix movies and series a lot, mainly because there are on Netflix, good or bad, indiscriminately, and even more surprisingly, they are discussing about them. It seems to me some people really like Netflix, the service, like some people like Amazon Prime, the service. Netflix seems to have succeeded in building a relationship with them.

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#24

I have been a Netflix subscriber for over 5 years now, but seldom use it anymore. Most streaming is via Hulu (commercial free) or Prime in our house nowadays. I don’t have children, but I could see how having the Disney catalog would be enticing to parents of young children. Also, strange the article did not mention Fortnight, by name, as a competitor.

I honestly don't think a Disney streaming platform should scare Netflix that much. You can get the entire classic Disney DVD back catalogue for ~£200, why would parents buy a streaming service for £10-20/month for years on end?

And that's the whole classic catalogue - when you bear in mind that kids will happily watch the same old Frozen DVD over and over again, I don't see it as a huge compelling offering. Even adding all of Marvel, I still believe people will prefer to pick and choose their favourite individual media over an expensive subscription.

It's the continuous flow of new and unique TV/movies that is really working for Netflix. Disney just don't output anywhere near the same content hours to make a subscription worthwhile, and kids probably wouldn't care even if they did.

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My takeaway from Bird Box is that if Netflix wants to make any of their original content one of the most-watched media events of the year, they can do it, regardless of the quality of the content itself.

All it takes is for them to slip it in to people's "custom, curated" lists at a higher frequency, and maybe do a little subtle social-media engineering on Reddit/Facebook, and bam: instant box office smash of a derivative film with a 66% on Rotten Tomatoes.

That's a huge "flex". Big studios could pump hundreds of millions into a decent film and still have it flop. Netflix can take a B-movie and make it a sensation with relative ease. No wonder every game in town is trying to break into this model. Why invest millions on a potential flop when you can engineer one with 75% accuracy whenever you wish?

(though maybe I'm being just a bit too paranoid here. I have to admit some of the Bird Box magic stems from its intriguing concept. guerilla marketing doesn't work so well if what you're selling doesn't seem too interesting)

edit: people are debating the idea of "box office smash" here. I didn't use that phrase to emphasize direct earnings as a result of the film (which is "free" to watch if you pay for a subscription). The article addresses this:

> Secondly, and relatedly, Netflix is counting on subscription revenue. To that end, producing a piece of content that 58% of its subscriber base viewed in a single month is by definition a triumph (and yes, worth ~$700 million).

The idea is that Netflix was able to coerce more than half of its subscribers to watch this film. That's crazy. The result, as we see in the article, is a tidal-wave of Bird Box achieving near-meme status. How does that feel to someone who does not have a Netflix subscription? What big joke/story are they missing out on? For only $14.99 a month, they can win social acceptance by being "in the know" of the current big thing.

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#26
Netflix gradually turned from bad to worse. First they pushed DRM into HTML standard. Then they joined the MPAA cartel. Nothing good should be expected on that trajectory.

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#27

I’ve said this before, but I expect Netflix to continue to flex their muscle until they have an average subscription cost of $35-40/month. There’s so much room in the entertainment market for them to save customers $50/mo, offer them more, and increase their revenue.

> until they have an average subscription cost of $35-40/month

That's impossible. 3/4 or more of their total customer base for the future is outside of the US. The economic middle 50% and the top 50% of people in Brazil, Indonesia, India, Turkey, Vietnam, Thailand, China, Nigeria, Mexico, Colombia, Russia, Bangladesh, Philippines, Ethiopia, and about 140 other countries - can't and will not pay an average of $35-$40 / month (or say ~$25-$30 if we're assuming an average lifted by higher prices in affluent nations; that requires eg the US market to pay far higher prices beyond $35-$40). Not under any circumstances will any of that happen.

Netflix will be able to raise prices in the non-rich markets (ie most of their customer base of the future) only as economic growth allows for it, both at the global and local levels. Customers in Brazil aren't going to suddenly be able to jump from $5 / month to $25 in the next ten years, no matter how much good content Netflix puts up.

Western European customers, who could largely technically afford $35-$40 per month, will never accept those prices.

Netflix is pushing near the edge of what people will pay right now globally. They can maybe raise prices in the US another 25% over several years before hitting the ceiling in their most lucrative market. The US market represents a rough approximation of their maximum pricing power. There's no scenario where they retain their customer base in the US and charge $35-$40 (unless we're talking about 50 more years of inflation).

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post #18

A lot of observers, especially on HN, worry about the balkanization of video streaming content and see it as hindering Netflix's growth. In my opinion, I don't really see it. When the dust settles I think we'll see Netflix and Amazon as the duopoly of this era of video streaming. I don't think Disney's streaming service is out to compete with Netflix directly, to me it's more of a play to leverage the Disney brand an…

> When the dust settles I think we'll see Netflix and Amazon as the duopoly of this era of video streaming.

I doubt it. Comcast/NBCU, AT&T/Time Warner, and Disney all have good (and in some cases superior) content and their own distribution paths in place or in the works.

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post #6

I’ve said this before, but I expect Netflix to continue to flex their muscle until they have an average subscription cost of $35-40/month. There’s so much room in the entertainment market for them to save customers $50/mo, offer them more, and increase their revenue.

The market is on its way to fragmentation as more content producers move to have their own apps instead of going through an intermediary. And they all want $10-$15 a month. It won’t be long before people refuse to pay for more apps, as the total cost of both the Internet connection and all app subscriptions surpasses the price they used to pay for cable. That is what limits the price any one app can charge.

Yeah, they all want $10-$15 a month, but I doubt many will get it.

We'll see.

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#30

"Netflix is so confident in its position it is effectively stating that if customers choose to watch TV, they will choose Netflix." That is, until they stop choosing Netflixt. I cancelled my Netflix account a week ago after finally realizing what a huge time suck it has become in my life. I know I'm just one data point but I'm pretty sure others will come to that conclusion eventually.

I was an early Netflix adopter and evangelist to family and friends. I canceled my account months ago last time they had a price increase and haven't missed it. I got sick of spending more time scrolling through uninspiring content looking for something to watch than actually watching enjoyable content.

I see a flaw in a lot of subscription models in that they lead to companies optimizing for "engagement" rather than maximizing the value of my time as a consumer. In theory this seems like it shouldn't be fundamental to a subscription model in that Netflix's costs could be lower if they offered me less but higher quality content but in practice it doesn't seem to work out that way.

Netflix might be right that if people choose to watch TV they'll choose Netflix. I chose not to watch TV any more rather than switching to another provider.

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