When a Bike Company Put a TV on Its Box, Shipping Damages Went Down (2017)

Post by rwmj » Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 2:48 PM UTC

ricardobeat wrote: post #204

icebraining wrote: post #117

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Shit happens; signs are confusing, drivers make mistakes, cops make mistakes. And that may be a once in a lifetime event for a regular driver, but when you have thousands of drivers parking dozens of times a day, "once in a lifetime" becomes "once a week".

Except very special and rare situations, the driver should be personally liable for a ticket even if on the job. Traffic laws apply to individual drivers and not vehicle owners or contractors.

Post by user5994461 » Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 3:26 PM UTC

hyperman1 wrote: post #202

reaperducer wrote: post #91

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the drivers are basically incentivized to break the law When a delivery company has a line item in its budget to cover parking tickets as a cost of doing business, it's already decided at the corporate level to disregard the law in favor of making a profit.

I remember how a few years ago a company paid a speeding ticket for one of the workers, and was promptly fined itself for contempt of court. Judge summoned the manager who approved the expense to court, gave him an earful, and told them in no uncertain terms that if they tried that again, contempt of court fines would go up until they stopped this. The ideas was the whole point of the ticket was to punish the driver,…

Post by dsfyu404ed » Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 3:43 PM UTC

user5994461 wrote: post #213

hyperman1 wrote: post #202

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I remember how a few years ago a company paid a speeding ticket for one of the workers, and was promptly fined itself for contempt of court. Judge summoned the manager who approved the expense to court, gave him an earful, and told them in no uncertain terms that if they tried that again, contempt of court fines would go up until they stopped this. The ideas was the whole point of the ticket was to punish the driver,…

How the fuck can you expect people to drive 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and never get a fine?

Post by joejerryronnie » Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

btrettel wrote: post #53

justinhensley wrote: post #31

I've always been curious about the shipping process. I have met or know 7 people who work/worked at the shipping hub in my city. I always ask them how the packages are handled. Every one of them said that they (and all of their coworkers) handle all packages on a scale ranging from rough to purposefully damaging. One guy told me how he targets boxes marked Fragile for extra abuse when he's exhausted/angry/having a ba…

This does not surprise me much. I think it comes down to incentives. The package handlers only have a certain amount of time per package. There are few if any consequences for being rough, and it saves time, so of course the package handlers end up being rough. This isn't the only time you see this sort of selfish behavior from delivery companies. As a cyclist I commonly encounter delivery trucks parked in the bike l…

Post by Operyl » Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:10 PM UTC

MikeTheGreat wrote: post #161

closeparen wrote: post #112

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In a crowded urban neighborhood, there is not going to be anywhere for a delivery vehicle to legally stop. Unless the delivery company refuses to service the area, it’s going to do some double parking. Downtowns address this problem with yellow commercial loading zones but those don’t really exist in residential neighborhoods.

The companies could also hire a second person to actually run the deliveries inside while the driver makes sure not to block traffic. It'll cost more than the current situation, sure, but it is an option.