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Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by rodh257 »

DannoHung wrote: post #43
tertius wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a side note, I wouldn't call Apple products "magical", maybe to the extent that they make people's money disappear. But that can be explained, somehow, without magic too. I think the focus of his reply should have been on Jobs' giant ego, which is undeniable.

I dunno man, I play with my iPad quite a bit and it really does seem just about sufficiently advanced.

Tablet PCs have been around for ages, removing the keyboard and slapping IOS on a thin, well made one may be finally doing it right but I'd hardly call it 'magical'.

Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by bubbleboy »

commieneko wrote: post #39
tertius wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a side note, I wouldn't call Apple products "magical", maybe to the extent that they make people's money disappear. But that can be explained, somehow, without magic too. I think the focus of his reply should have been on Jobs' giant ego, which is undeniable.

To paraphrase Arthur C.Clarke, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Since most users _don't_ understand the technology they use, it is "magical" to them. The real question: is it good magic or evil magic? From a normal person's point of view, what Apple does is, usually, good magic.

all it really proves is that the average apple consumer isn't as smart as the average apple engineer.

Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by bubbleboy »

tzs wrote: post #62
pluies wrote: post #8

This is off-topic, but I'm amazed by the descriptions at the end of TFA (I know, I know, it's a press release, but still...) Oracle is the world’s most complete, open and integrated business software and hardware systems company. (...) Let's grant integrated and complete, but definitely not "open". Though this is dwarfed by Apple's incredible self-praise: Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world,…

Well, considering that whenever someone posts on a technical forum (such as HN) asking what laptop to get to run Linux, they receive a lot of recommendations that they get Macs, I don't think "best personal computers in the world" is too far out of line for Apple to claim. iPods completely dominate portable music playback, and the iTunes store is one of the biggest sellers of music in the world (didn't they take #1 a…

apple laptops ≠ linux machines. in fact, most of the new macbooks are quite hard to get running on something modern like ubuntu 10.4 LTS, and just because OSX is a derivative of BSD doesn't make it friendly with current linux versions. especially those macbooks with "automatic graphics switching" and the like. sure you can boot, but all the [proprietary] advanced [closed] features that apple adds don't really function at all.

linux is great on a 2 year old macbook, however.

Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by [deleted] »

rodh257 wrote: post #91
DannoHung wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno man, I play with my iPad quite a bit and it really does seem just about sufficiently advanced.

Tablet PCs have been around for ages, removing the keyboard and slapping IOS on a thin, well made one may be finally doing it right but I'd hardly call it 'magical'.

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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by stcredzero »

pluies wrote: post #8

This is off-topic, but I'm amazed by the descriptions at the end of TFA (I know, I know, it's a press release, but still...) Oracle is the world’s most complete, open and integrated business software and hardware systems company. (...) Let's grant integrated and complete, but definitely not "open". Though this is dwarfed by Apple's incredible self-praise: Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world,…

Woah there cowboy! A bit of humility maybe?

I think if they added "humility" to that list, it would've crossed a line.

Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by stcredzero »

chc wrote: post #78
mtinkerhess wrote: post #30

Does this mean there's some chance you'll be able to use Java for Mac App Store apps?

I expect it will be allowed only if you ship the JVM and runtime with your app. (And then I suppose Apple might reject you for your app being unreasonably large.)

Hello!? 2005 called and wants it's misconceptions back!

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/stanleyh/archive/2005/05/deploy...

7.5M if you want to strip.

Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by stcredzero »

pkirk wrote: post #14
tertius wrote: post #10

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I'm no fanboy, believe me. But most of that is pretty accurate.

I'm no a meta-fanboy, believe me. But a real fanboy would have written that comment too.

Meta-fanboy = a fan of "meta"? Meta-fanboy = a fan of fanboys?

Meta-feta fanboy = those who admire the processing of Mediterranean cheese.

Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by xyi »

pluies wrote: post #8

This is off-topic, but I'm amazed by the descriptions at the end of TFA (I know, I know, it's a press release, but still...) Oracle is the world’s most complete, open and integrated business software and hardware systems company. (...) Let's grant integrated and complete, but definitely not "open". Though this is dwarfed by Apple's incredible self-praise: Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world,…

Expecting humility from human beings is understandable. But why do you expect a company to be humble? Can you name companies that you think are humble?

Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Post by chc »

stcredzero wrote: post #97
chc wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect it will be allowed only if you ship the JVM and runtime with your app. (And then I suppose Apple might reject you for your app being unreasonably large.)

Hello!? 2005 called and wants it's misconceptions back! http://weblogs.java.net/blog/stanleyh/archive/2005/05/deploy... 7.5M if you want to strip.

This sounds nice in theory, but can you point me to any examples of Java apps that are actually distributed this way and are less than, say, 20 MB (or some reasonable threshold for the app's complexity)? I know that, just looking at my JVM framework on my hard drive, it's more than 200MB. Is it really a practical option to shrink this footprint 98%?
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