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Automation Agenda of the Davos Elite

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...Good? Work is horrible? If a drop in the amount of work that needs to be done is actually a problem then that's a policy failure.

Indeed. The same newspaper that decry automation also complain about the future lack of workers available to take care of elderly.

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...Good? Work is horrible? If a drop in the amount of work that needs to be done is actually a problem then that's a policy failure.

It’ll be a problem because ultimately the people who own all the capital won’t need anyone else to survive. They’ll build walls and robot guards and live in their utopias of plenty while everyone else starves.

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So when a significant portion of the population has no work because they have been replaced by machines, who will buy what the machines make (or do)? Seems like a short sighted race to extinction. Not everything that can be done should be done. Footnote:in the long run if society survives the initial shock, I predict it will actually lead to a resurgence in artisanal crafts to manufacture bespoke items that are prize…

For most of history economies were fighting against scarcity, working to produce as much as possible to keep people alive. It is only in the past 100 years that we have had a problem with too much productive capacity. The consumer economy you are describing is one way to solve that problem, in which increased supply stokes increased demand. However it appears to have been a fleeting solution. Number one, needless consumption is environmentally destructive. Number two, consumerism is hollow and a poor motivator compared to poverty. For the latter reason more than the former (although the former is more concerning), I believe many people are consciously choosing to shrink the population by having fewer children. And that is in many ways a completely sensible reaction to overcapacity and overpopulation.

There is no dictum that consumerism is the only way an economy can work. Consumerism is (not exclusively) a manifestation of mass affluent democracies, but I can imagine other systems. The economy ultimately is a mixture of social norms and economic laws. There's enough leeway that I don't think you need mass consumerism.

The devil is in the details, however, and the big question is: who will inherit the earth? Increasingly it's a question of motivation and not survival.

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Isn't replacing people with machines what we've been doing uninterrupted since the beginning of the industrial revolution ? In what sense is replacing a translator with DeepL different from replacing a farmer with a tractor ? We've gone from more than two third of the population working on the fields to less than 5% and people still have jobs. What has changed that makes us think that this time it will be different ?

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We need to make progress on automating the job of the CEO. The CEO is just an intermediary between investors and profitable activity. Why should they be so expensive? ROI would improve if CEO costs could be cut, especially for underperforminmg CEOs.

There's already a hedge fund where an AI has a board vote on acquisitions. This isn't that far out of reach.

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I think automation will succeed where humans hate to do the job because it's too monotonous, risky or unhealthy - fruit picking, Foxconn, mining etc. It also makes the most economic sense to automate those jobs. Knowledge workers' jobs on the other hand - it'll be much easier for employers to put downward pressure on the salaries of those jobs than to replace them with automation due to higher automation costs and ri…

no I think you mishandle the spin.. business will try to create new companies where the AI is doing the work, whatever that year's AI is capable of .. no bargaining, instead straight to "disruption"

secondly, the horrible, unanticipated errors will be the catch, while the raw capacities of the machine side will continue to soar..

$0.02

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Isn't replacing people with machines what we've been doing uninterrupted since the beginning of the industrial revolution ? In what sense is replacing a translator with DeepL different from replacing a farmer with a tractor ? We've gone from more than two third of the population working on the fields to less than 5% and people still have jobs. What has changed that makes us think that this time it will be different ?

Please do not tell people about DeepL.

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Isn't replacing people with machines what we've been doing uninterrupted since the beginning of the industrial revolution ? In what sense is replacing a translator with DeepL different from replacing a farmer with a tractor ? We've gone from more than two third of the population working on the fields to less than 5% and people still have jobs. What has changed that makes us think that this time it will be different ?

Because “world continually gets better over time” isn’t a headline that gets clicks. But one that makes people afraid of something does. That fear is also a great way of promoting a number of different political agendas, which is why you’ll see all sorts of people stirring it up.

Re: Automation Agenda of the Davos Elite

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...Good? Work is horrible? If a drop in the amount of work that needs to be done is actually a problem then that's a policy failure.

It’ll be a problem because ultimately the people who own all the capital won’t need anyone else to survive. They’ll build walls and robot guards and live in their utopias of plenty while everyone else starves.

Maybe.

I'm not sure any of us are going to live to see that dystopian time, but o boy if I were one of the ones...

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