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Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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"To that end, we’ll begin reducing recommendations of borderline content and content that could misinform users in harmful ways—such as videos promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness, claiming the earth is flat, or making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11." Why take moral positions on the content of the videos? Why be the arbiter of what people should watch? Why censor?

Because it doesn't provide ad money and consume resources.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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NSA mass surveillance was considered conspiracy before PRISM. Worse, people that said it was a conspiracy are now calling other things conspiracy, without any consideration for their past errors.

There seems to be people around who still think NSA mass surveillance is a conspiracy. Heck, don't the flat earther think round earth is a conspiracy? One mans theory is another mans conspiracy.

There's some fun even around the origin of the term. In late 1963 JFK was assassinated. According to a sourced referenced on Wiki [1] the first mainstream reference to "conspiracy theory" was the New York Times who, in 1964, posted some 5 articles using the phrase. In 1967 the CIA had a psychological operation manual on discrediting conspiracy theories. [2] The reason I mention JFK there is because the conspiracy theory tactics created by the CIA were specifically relating to the Warren Commission [3].

Ultimately I've always found the term silly. People can believe idiotic things for sure, yet on the other hand I think there is an equilibrium where on one end you have people who believe no 'conspiracy theory' could ever be real, and on the other hand you have people who indulge every 'conspiracy theory' as probable. Both opposite extremes are equally naive.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Etymology_an...

[2] - https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-create...

[3] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Commission

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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We currently don't allow our son to watch anything on youtube, simply because it's a cesspool of horrible videos for children. You're always almost one click away from some violent video where cartoon characters are getting their limbs chopped off, etc. And it's sickening that Google's done nothing about it. Secondly, I can't watch any video without it taking over my recommendations. Alex Jones for example. I still h…

What do you want them to do? I'm an adult who uses YouTube and I don't want sanitized kid-friendly recommendations just so that you can protect your son's eyes from cartoon violence. In fact, several of the creators I like have been pinched hard by changes to the All-Powerful Algorithm which seem to be deliberately de-emphasizing anything that could be remotely considered offensive, and it's not fair to them at all.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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What really bugs me is when a video literally has "Episode 18" in the name, but somehow the recommendation list on the right side fails to find the one with "Episode 19". But if I want to go watch Episode 5 again or jump ahead to Episode 26, it's happy to help. Awesome.

I wouldn't surprised if it had been A/B tested and rejected because it decreased engagement. I'd love to know if and why.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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This doesn't match reality. I've watched lots of conservative videos and I've never seen anything about flat Earth or "insane conspiracy theories". Honestly this comment thread seems like trying to build a narrative bridge between straightforward right-leaning content and bizarre conspiracies. The goal is to use censorship of bizarre conspiracies to justify censoring right-leaning content by conflating the two. I'm v…

The strange thing about slippery slope is that it is both a logical fallacy and an effective means to accomplish political objectives (of course one does things incrementally) Left wing conspiracies are usually narrow in scope: the Republican party, the Koch brothers, George Soros, Dick Cheney, the Oil Industry, its not really the same as a intra-national conspiracy that transcends party lines.

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Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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It's worth noting that this blog post appeared less than 24 hours after BuzzFeed News posted an article explicitly highlighting the conspiracy theories in the recommended section: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolineodonovan/down-y... I helped contribute to that article, feel free to ask any questions!

How does one report videos to Youtube that violate their policies and actually get them to do something about it. It appears one can talk about the Holocaust not being real / that people don't get killed in mass shootings in the United States all they want and keep their monitization / Superchats.

What's the problem with videos like you mentioned?

Do you think all videos in which people are wrong about things should be taken down?

If somebody writes on their blog that they don't think the holocaust is real, should their blog get taken down, or is there something different about it being a video?

In my opinion, YouTube has gone much too far towards the side of taking down videos rather than leaving them up. We don't need to be calling for them to be even more strict with removing videos that people don't like. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it.

If your goal in taking down conspiracy theory videos is to kill the conspiracy theory, I think that may actually be counterproductive. If the video stays up and everyone laughs about how stupid it is, nothing bad happens. If the video gets taken down then it just provides them an opportunity to shout about how they're trying to spread the truth but they're being silenced by the establishment.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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post #41

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>> There should be a way to watch a video once and not have it take over your recommendations. Log out.

Even if you logout, your anonymous session has its own set of recommendations. No?

Disable cookies

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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>> There should be a way to watch a video once and not have it take over your recommendations. Log out.

You can't log out of the YouTube Android app anymore. There's only an incognito mode.

Don't use the app

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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How does one report videos to Youtube that violate their policies and actually get them to do something about it. It appears one can talk about the Holocaust not being real / that people don't get killed in mass shootings in the United States all they want and keep their monitization / Superchats.

What's the problem with videos like you mentioned? Do you think all videos in which people are wrong about things should be taken down? If somebody writes on their blog that they don't think the holocaust is real, should their blog get taken down, or is there something different about it being a video? In my opinion, YouTube has gone much too far towards the side of taking down videos rather than leaving them up. We…

I think that videos that say kids didn't die in school shootings should not be allowed to make money off of said videos especially when they try to get people riled up to harass the survivors and their parents.

Furthermore I expect Google to apply their policies evenly which they don't. If violations of Google ToS are reported they should be taken care of don't you think.

It isn't like you can actually debate them on their channels either as they delete comments that don't support them the vast majority of time.

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