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US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by bilbo0s »

busterarm wrote: post #368
bilbo0s wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness it's not really the finance department and the ceo, it's the ceo and the board locking horns. And the ceo and the board decided to shutdown the whole company until they get their little tiff ironed out. (Which, yeah, was a pretty dumb idea. But the ceo and the board are kind of known for having dumb ideas.)

No, it really is the finance department. Boards vote on the CEO and serve as his advisors and that is certainly not the correct metaphor. More importantly, Congress sets the budget through the House and Senate budget committees, which then draft and pass appropriations bills. This is the point in the process where we are stuck. The President is saying "bring me budget bills that have the things I want and I won't vet…

Again, I'd have to respectfully disagree here.

The US Treasury Department is most analogous to the finance department of most corporations. Which, incidentally, is also shutdown right now because the board and the ceo told them to close. (Just as an additional point of fact, the finance department of many organizations does not set departmental budgets. That's not how it works. One of the reasons they exist is to, "finance", projects. Which could involve the use of any number of financial vehicles.)

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Post by TheGRS »

sgjohnson wrote: post #390
growse wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, all of those federal air traffic controllers that should just go and work in the lucrative private air traffic control industry.

Privatizing the airports would make them private sector employees.

I’m sorry how does this comment help us right now? They aren’t privatized. And people aren’t getting paid.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by sigi45 »

sokoloff wrote: post #271
flyingpenguin wrote: post #77

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The thing that really bothers me about that "They should have savings" logic, is the expectation that they should have to use them. Yes. They should have savings. EVERYONE should have min 3 months of income in savings. No one should be expected to use it.

What's the emergency fund for, if not for loss of income? If there is no condition under which you're expected to use it, it's just stranded money...

Depending on how big your company is, you might need already one month saving alone for any hickup on payment.

I'm not assuming that i will lose that money.

But yes in general if i have emergency money, its out of scope and it doesn't 'hurt' directly when i actuall have to lose it. Thats the point of it. But still when i lose it, i have to replace it later right?

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by sgjohnson »

sgjohnson wrote: post #371
sparkie wrote: post #306

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If the country was run like a business, they wouldn't be in business, they would be bankrupt. The purpose of a business it create wealth. The purpose of government is to take wealth. Government does some useful functions with the wealth it takes, but extremely inefficiently. Private enterprises which are profit motivated consistently outperform government on budget, quality and time.

It’s sad seeing people actually disagreeing with you. The US government is $21tn in debt. 21 trillion. With a constant budget deficit. No private entity would be ever allowed to go that far. If the Government is still taking money out of my paycheck, it simply isn’t shut down enough.

>Plus, they can default in a way that's technically legal (inflate away the debt).

Oh yes, along with my purchasing power. Amazing.

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Post by charonn0 »

sokoloff wrote: post #271
flyingpenguin wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing that really bothers me about that "They should have savings" logic, is the expectation that they should have to use them. Yes. They should have savings. EVERYONE should have min 3 months of income in savings. No one should be expected to use it.

What's the emergency fund for, if not for loss of income? If there is no condition under which you're expected to use it, it's just stranded money...

An emergency fund is for an actual emergency. Not a manufactured political crisis.

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Post by NoblePublius »

“Flights were halted at New York's LaGuardia airport - the 20th busiest in the country - shortly before 10:00 local time (15:00 GMT). The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has now confirmed the temporary ground stop has been lifted.”

The headline is fake news.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by growse »

sgjohnson wrote: post #390
growse wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, all of those federal air traffic controllers that should just go and work in the lucrative private air traffic control industry.

Privatizing the airports would make them private sector employees.

Not all ATCs work at airports. What do you think will happen when the folks at New York Center stop showing up to work?

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by quotemstr »

Actual headline: "US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages"

HN headline: "US shutdown: Flights halted into New York airport"

These two headlines suggest very different mental pictures of the situation. HN should stick to general policy and use the article's headline.

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Post by naval-gazer »

module0000 wrote: post #401
naval-gazer wrote: post #172

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In many states FBI has run out of replacement tires for vehicles, DNA swab kits, trace evidence filters. FBI can't pay for translator services, etc. They can't pay for informants.

>> They can't pay for informants. This probably isn't the place, but I don't want them paying for informants. There is no vote I can cast to stop this practice. Effectively, I have no choice but to have the money I work hard for taxed and used in this fashion.

Paying for informants is one of the most efficient uses of government money. It's not a large sum.

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Post by nradov »

crb002 wrote: post #331
awinder wrote: post #108

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This is the longest shutdown ever, so we're kinda past the "reasonable expectation" line when you're in uncharted historical waters...

We have hit the US Constitution slavery provision at this point. Air traffic controllers could just walk.

Civilian employees can just walk. But Coast Guard uniformed personnel don't have that option, and they aren't being paid either.
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