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US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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There'll be a lot of angry people if the same thing happens in Atlanta over Super Bowl weekend.

Interestingly the law that created the TSA expressly allows private security checks if they follow published TSA guidelines. It's just that the TSA has refused to publish any written guidelines. So it's entirely possible that airports could just bring in their own security checks.

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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Bearing in mind that ~40% of american's could not come up with $400 to cover emergencies, this is going to become more prevalent in the next few days / weeks as people will simply not be able to afford gas to get to their unpaid work. I read an article today discussing how TSA workers in HI are living in their cars in the airport parking lot as they cannot afford to commute. The FBI just cancelled its internship prog…

I've seen too many people say, "Oh, government workers should all know this stuff happens all the time, and if they don't have months or years of savings in the bank then it's just their fault". It's really sad that instead of being compassionate, too many are focusing on what "should" be instead of what is the reality for many people. Like you point out, the reality is that most people don't have savings. They shoul…

Part of the people saying that are, at this point, just parroting the party line from the White House, which is basically “Suck it up” and “Get a loan” respectively. Part of it seems to be a general lack of empathy, and some of it is glee from people who think that the first step to a better world is destroying the government.

All told, it’s a lack of individual capacity for thought, lack of empathy, and in many cases a true lack of imagination. Never underestimate just how far beyond the capacity of some it is to truly imagine circumstances other than their own, especially when that limited capacity makes them feel better about themselves.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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This is just wrong. Commercial flights fly all the time without ATC. The majority of airports in the USA are uncontrolled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-towered_airport

Commercial airliners do not take off in non-towered airports.

Yes they do. I have issued clearances through Flight Service to such aircraft.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #257

I hope not too off topic, but I'm puzzled by shutdowns. Every other country I can think of has a system where if the finance is not agreed, the previous budget just continues. The budget sets the yearly amount for each department and it runs on until another budget changes how much everyone gets. Sometimes a new department gets created, sometimes something is abolished. Everyone gets their salary and services run on.…

My understanding as an outsider is that I think the problem is with the debt ceiling. Legally the president (who proposes the budget) needs approval from Congress to borrow beyond the debt ceiling. The US government has for quite some time run a budget deficit, so the only budget that can apply would be a budget with significant cuts in government spending. As such, even keeping the existing budget ticking would exce…

The federal government must run a deficit. Balancing the budget would be a disaster for the economy. Watch this short video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LxJW7hl8oqM

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #310

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75K record attendance 77K

That's really surprising to me - my favorite college football team regularly sells out their 100k seat stadium during the regular season. Seems like the superbowl is leaving a lot of money on the table.

No joke, the largest college stadiums are bigger than the largest NFL stadiums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._stadiums_by_capac...

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Depends on the job. There are some jobs where refusal to do your job may carry significant legal penalties (imagine if airline traffic controllers walked out with planes in the air)

Sure. I'm assuming there's some level of resolution that serves as a transaction. Like maybe a day, or a shift. In your example, I'm talking about your worker not walking out on a flight in final approach, but rather notifying the employer after the shift that she will not be showing up for any future shifts until she is paid.

I don't know the specific rules regarding calling in sick etc for that industry. I know most companies have policies regarding absences, and once you hit a certain point, you can be terminated with cause. (presumably just refusing to come in would be treated worse than just calling in sick excessively) Not only would that make them ineligible for unemployment, but I assume that would impact someone in that industry pretty negatively. (How many different employers are there for ATCs?)

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #243

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For anyone else wondering why Dems would seemingly vote against this, the news source seems to be purposefully misleading others in order to place blame on house democrats. This vote was not a vote to pass the bill, it was a motion to recommit (amend) the bill and delay it further. If you follow the links ( http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll048.xml ) to the source you can see it there.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/425858-house-rejects-gop-...

Instead of recycling blogspam from "left/right" biased news sources, could you possibly look at the primary facts yourself and actually comment on what is happening?

For one the CNS and The Hill report aren't even reporting on the same bill, so your second source isn't materially reporting on the same thing as your first.

Second, the new source, (and none of the sources I could find) actually mention what bill it was. The only bill to fail 222-195 in that time range was this (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll043.xml), another recommit bill.

Your second news source is as baloney as the first. People complain about news sources all the time and are unwilling to do their own research. The House GOP measure that thehill is mentioning here is a motion to delay a democratic bill which already passed and then was rejected by the Senate (Mitch McConnell). The hoops and misdirection here to try and blame this as a democratic house failure when it is still clearly a republican senate house failure is astounding.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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If this country was actually run like a business, the CEO would be fired by now.

If the country was run like a business, they wouldn't be in business, they would be bankrupt. The purpose of a business it create wealth. The purpose of government is to take wealth. Government does some useful functions with the wealth it takes, but extremely inefficiently. Private enterprises which are profit motivated consistently outperform government on budget, quality and time.

The purpose of businesses is to create private wealth.

The purpose of government is to create social wealth.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Serious questions I have: * Are senators/house reps being paid? If so - Why? * If the government is going to shit on people like this - then why are those people required to pay a tax (which is money extracted from the population to pay for services which the government provides - if the government refuses to provide those services, then why would you be obligated to pay a tax - thus the shutdown should be filed as a…

lol@thinking that people in power will vote to not pay themselves

Ha - Yeah thats the point... Meaning - Why isn't this a larger talking point? (Aside from the fact that we have more millionaires and billionaires in political positions than ever - so they are frankly the 'working-class' who would not be impacted by a pay furlough)

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Bearing in mind that ~40% of american's could not come up with $400 to cover emergencies, this is going to become more prevalent in the next few days / weeks as people will simply not be able to afford gas to get to their unpaid work. I read an article today discussing how TSA workers in HI are living in their cars in the airport parking lot as they cannot afford to commute. The FBI just cancelled its internship prog…

> simply take out loans

So not only are they not getting paid now, but they should also pay loan interests once their pay goes in.

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