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US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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I'm still not fully understanding what's going on here, and I'm american. Could someone who is more educated in politics of the US explain to me why this shutdown is allowed to go on for this long, and why there is no law in place for 'if the congress cannot come to an agreement, X shold happen'?

The law says the opposite: agencies are legally prohibited from carrying out any nonessential work without explicit continuing funding. Look up the Anti-Deficiency Act for more info.

As for why it continues to be this way, it’s because politicians have found the threat of a shutdown to be a useful bargaining chip. It’s a little bit like nuclear weapons: they’re pretty bad, but at the same time people stand up and listen to you when you threaten to use them.

The problem is that we now have an idiot in the Presidency and too many cowards in Congress who don’t want to bypass him.

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None of the contractors will be paid, as I understand it, only permanent federal employees.

Yes, that comes with the territory (contract cancellations or delayed/non payments are risks associated with running any business).

Not sure why I am being downvoted - I run a consulting business myself and I wake up every day knowing that I may be asked not to return to work the following day - for any reason.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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FWIW - house Democrats have voted against paying workers three times (so far). Most recently yesterday https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/house-gop... OK - heres a left biased source: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/425858-house-rejects-gop-...

For anyone else wondering why Dems would seemingly vote against this, the news source seems to be purposefully misleading others in order to place blame on house democrats. This vote was not a vote to pass the bill, it was a motion to recommit (amend) the bill and delay it further. If you follow the links ( http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2019/roll048.xml ) to the source you can see it there.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/425858-house-rejects-gop-...

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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I hope not too off topic, but I'm puzzled by shutdowns. Every other country I can think of has a system where if the finance is not agreed, the previous budget just continues. The budget sets the yearly amount for each department and it runs on until another budget changes how much everyone gets. Sometimes a new department gets created, sometimes something is abolished. Everyone gets their salary and services run on.…

Largely the US worked this way (there were funding lapses before, but people still worked & were paid), but Jimmy Carter in his infinite wisdom had his attorney general issue guidance that in times of funding lapses, no salaries could be paid. He was tired of some prior shutdowns during his administration and wanted to bring some pain into the picture to force republicans & democrats to sign funding bills & make compromises.

Mark Warner & Tim Kaine are pushing an act that would institute that continuing resolution behavior, appropriately called the Stop STUPIDITY Act https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-mark-warner-intr...

One reason that this happens is that it's effectively designed to happen at this point. In times of split government its effectively impossible to pass legislation, so this is the easiest hostage to take in order to try to extract something from the other side.

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Isn’t this the exact opposite? It helped in the short term but hurts in the long term.

No. In the short term, it hurt a lot because people had to be trained, etc. But in the long term, it sent a message. Maybe some federal employees would be on strike right now if Reagan hadn't done that.

Federal employees on strike right now sounds like it would be wonderful.

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Interesting thing I discovered when I was concerned about SFO delays is that SFO is one of the few airports in the U.S. that does not use TSA for security...it hires its own private security officers. Edit: For those curious, these airports have private security (SFO is by far the largest as far as I can tell): https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/screening-partnerships

Whoa, really? Do you know whether/which other airports are like this?

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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I'm still not fully understanding what's going on here, and I'm american. Could someone who is more educated in politics of the US explain to me why this shutdown is allowed to go on for this long, and why there is no law in place for 'if the congress cannot come to an agreement, X shold happen'?

Because Congress would have to pass that law. Then they could use a shutdown as political leverage.

This could end today and Congress could override any presidential veto, but that is not politically convenient.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Awfully nice of our US friends to try and make and feel better about our current bit of unpleasantness with our government here in the UK, but you really didn't need to bother....

Could a situation like this happen in the UK, do you think? Not voting through a budget would normally be a confidence issue, which would bring about the fall of the government, could we have a situation where that went on for a period of time without causing a new election?

No, and it wouldn't affect salaries in the mean-time.

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At the risk of introducing a political topic into this supposedly apolitical subject, why shouldn't any president simply make demands and then shut down the government until his/her political opponents cave? Seemingly this strategy will not work ever again for either party if proper steps are taken. It seems like a terrible abuse of executive power.

Congress is partly at fault too. They can override a veto with a 2/3 majority.
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