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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Genuine, is it very cool when now there's possibly going to be a generational shortage of ATC people in the near future possibly as a direct result of this?

Sometimes tough decisions need to be made. Especially those that are to improve things in the long term, even if it hurts in the short term. That's what being a man is, being able to make hard decisions.

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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Bearing in mind that ~40% of american's could not come up with $400 to cover emergencies, this is going to become more prevalent in the next few days / weeks as people will simply not be able to afford gas to get to their unpaid work. I read an article today discussing how TSA workers in HI are living in their cars in the airport parking lot as they cannot afford to commute. The FBI just cancelled its internship prog…

In many states FBI has run out of replacement tires for vehicles, DNA swab kits, trace evidence filters. FBI can't pay for translator services, etc. They can't pay for informants.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #131

Bearing in mind that ~40% of american's could not come up with $400 to cover emergencies, this is going to become more prevalent in the next few days / weeks as people will simply not be able to afford gas to get to their unpaid work. I read an article today discussing how TSA workers in HI are living in their cars in the airport parking lot as they cannot afford to commute. The FBI just cancelled its internship prog…

>An administration official recommended that all those affected simply take out loans but unfortunately banks don't lend to people without an income I think bills have been passed already guaranteeing back pay for federal employees, so it's a bit more complicated than "no income" for federal employees. However, everyone else who is a contractor or otherwise tangentially dependent on government employment... And of co…

Well, to add a bit more context to it, the administration dismissed the issue, saying that people should just work with grocery stores and banks in order to survive.

Full text:

> Local people know who they are when they go for groceries and everything else. So I think what Wilbur was probably trying to say was that they will work along — I know banks are working along. If you have mortgages, the mortgagees, the folks collecting the interest and all of those things, they work along. And that's what happens in a time like this, they know the people, they've been dealing with them for years, and they work along. The grocery stores...and I think that's probably what Wilbur Ross meant.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #93

At the risk of introducing a political topic into this supposedly apolitical subject, why shouldn't any president simply make demands and then shut down the government until his/her political opponents cave? Seemingly this strategy will not work ever again for either party if proper steps are taken. It seems like a terrible abuse of executive power.

Don't blame only the president, congress has just as much blame for not passing a budget the president would agree to.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #52

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If you got to any bank website at least the ones I bank with, there is a flashing notice on the front page, if I were a federal worker who needs assistance due to shut down. I am sure, certain workers have easy ways than others but to say that at least some banks have not stepped up is incorrect.

Many are offering loans of 10%+ APR. That is helpful, but maybe not a great situation for many people that have no savings to need the loan.

Also, it's hard to structure that kind of loan, since you have no idea when repayment might take place. The only comparable thing would be a student loan, where you can defer payments until you have income.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #42

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they're explicitly prevented from striking Wow, is this true? Is this even legal (except maybe police and military)?

ATC is going to be as important economically and for public safety as police and military. You literally cannot fly commercial flights without ATC. They issue the flight plans, provide the routing, provide clearances for every taxi movement on the ground and every landing and takeoff for every commercial flight in the country. So what I mean is that whatever argument is made to make it illegal for police to strike (a…

This is just wrong. Commercial flights fly all the time without ATC. The majority of airports in the USA are uncontrolled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-towered_airport

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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I hope not too off topic, but I'm puzzled by shutdowns. Every other country I can think of has a system where if the finance is not agreed, the previous budget just continues. The budget sets the yearly amount for each department and it runs on until another budget changes how much everyone gets. Sometimes a new department gets created, sometimes something is abolished. Everyone gets their salary and services run on.…

In Canada it triggers a new election

I had to refresh my memory on how this works up here, but generally our parliamentary system is designed to refresh itself when it becomes dysfunctional:

https://globalnews.ca/news/3568037/vote-of-no-confidence-can...

I don't know how it might work in the American system with the "balance of powers" or if it might be abused but generally our unstable minority governments resolve to a more stable majority after a few election calls.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #72

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Strictly speaking, their pay is delayed - they will be paid for all the work, eventually. Still, regular employees should not be going through this, though.

There's at least two classes of employees here: 1) essentials, who are required to work and will indeed likely be repaid 2) non-essentials, who are not allowed to work and will not be repaid. They've effectively been forced into an unplanned month-long+ leave of absence. To be honest I feel worse for this group, though it sucks for everyone. ETA: this is inaccurate, was thinking of contractors. Though I do wonder how…

That's not quite right. We won't know how pay works out until there's an appropriation ending the shutdown, but in past shutdowns both essential and non-essential employees have been paid what they're owed (I'm not quite sure how this works for hourly workers).

Which is to say we'll have forced some people to work for no pay, and paid others for doing no work. (Yes, the pay is in fact just delayed. But "no pay" is pithier.)

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine, is it very cool when now there's possibly going to be a generational shortage of ATC people in the near future possibly as a direct result of this?

Sometimes tough decisions need to be made. Especially those that are to improve things in the long term, even if it hurts in the short term. That's what being a man is, being able to make hard decisions.

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