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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by mr337 » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #24

Bearing in mind that ~40% of american's could not come up with $400 to cover emergencies, this is going to become more prevalent in the next few days / weeks as people will simply not be able to afford gas to get to their unpaid work. I read an article today discussing how TSA workers in HI are living in their cars in the airport parking lot as they cannot afford to commute. The FBI just cancelled its internship prog…

Some banks are setting up low interest loan programs only for federal employees. They are low interest and are focused on amounts of 2-3 time your paycheck.

Granted the rate things are going that might not be enough.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by pc86 » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

justaguyhere wrote: post #25

mayneack wrote: post #11

Federal workers should start striking. I gather that in most cases they're explicitly prevented from striking, but I think there's a good chance that it's too unpopular to actually punish them. Also yesterday some leadership of the flight attendants union called for a general strike until it was over: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/could-an-unlikely-av...

they're explicitly prevented from striking Wow, is this true? Is this even legal (except maybe police and military)?

ATC is going to be as important economically and for public safety as police and military. You literally cannot fly commercial flights without ATC. They issue the flight plans, provide the routing, provide clearances for every taxi movement on the ground and every landing and takeoff for every commercial flight in the country.

So what I mean is that whatever argument is made to make it illegal for police to strike (assuming it is), the same argument applies to ATC.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by agensaequivocum » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

mayneack wrote: post #11

Federal workers should start striking. I gather that in most cases they're explicitly prevented from striking, but I think there's a good chance that it's too unpopular to actually punish them. Also yesterday some leadership of the flight attendants union called for a general strike until it was over: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/could-an-unlikely-av...

It is illegal for them to strike. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/7311

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

thedaemon wrote: post #15

rkochman wrote: post #7

I’m glad to see this. The shutdown has been too “business as usual” for most Americans, while others are expected to work without pay, which is ridiculous.

This is caused slavery, government mandated slavery. I don't see how so many people can be okay with this happening. Why are we not outraged?

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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by pc86 » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

skh wrote: post #39

ceejayoz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it'd be slavery if they couldn't quit.

Members of the Coast Guard are not allowed to quit. They are under UCMJ rules. EDIT: For those that don't know the Coast Guard is not part of the Department of Defense. They are under DHS and are not getting paid and are not allowed to quit.

The military is entirely separate from this discussion.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by saalweachter » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

justaguyhere wrote: post #25

mayneack wrote: post #11

Federal workers should start striking. I gather that in most cases they're explicitly prevented from striking, but I think there's a good chance that it's too unpopular to actually punish them. Also yesterday some leadership of the flight attendants union called for a general strike until it was over: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/could-an-unlikely-av...

they're explicitly prevented from striking Wow, is this true? Is this even legal (except maybe police and military)?

What's legal is what 5 people on the Supreme Court say is legal.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by dkdbejwi383 » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #22

thedaemon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is caused slavery, government mandated slavery. I don't see how so many people can be okay with this happening. Why are we not outraged?

No, it'd be slavery if they couldn't quit.

What if they can't quit because of the wage-slave capitalist culture brought about by the US government?

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by skh » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #45

skh wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Members of the Coast Guard are not allowed to quit. They are under UCMJ rules. EDIT: For those that don't know the Coast Guard is not part of the Department of Defense. They are under DHS and are not getting paid and are not allowed to quit.

The military is entirely separate from this discussion.

The Coast Guard are under DHS and not the DOD. They are working without pay and are not allowed to quit.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by opwieurposiu » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

justaguyhere wrote: post #25

mayneack wrote: post #11

Federal workers should start striking. I gather that in most cases they're explicitly prevented from striking, but I think there's a good chance that it's too unpopular to actually punish them. Also yesterday some leadership of the flight attendants union called for a general strike until it was over: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/could-an-unlikely-av...

they're explicitly prevented from striking Wow, is this true? Is this even legal (except maybe police and military)?

The usual justification is that Federal workers get more benefits (pensions!!) then other workers and so they give up their right to strike in return.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Post by rchaud » Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 4:02 PM UTC

ztoben wrote: post #29

chrisBob wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Super Bowl travel such a big deal? Doesn’t the stadium only seat about 50k people anyway? I understand that the game is exciting, but I don’t see what travel to one venu would be news.

A lot of people come for the atmosphere and other festivities. I'm sure the actual number of people visiting town for the game is closer to 200k than it is to 50k.

Is this really true? I understand diehard fans going to tailgate parties, but don't the vast majority watch the event at a bar or at home?