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US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

#31

There's no way the federal shutdown lasts too much longer. The heat is on and too many people feel the hurt now, especially in a place like New York. If I were a betting man, I'd say 3-4 days max.

If the airports remain shut down, the economic cost will quickly balloon to multiples of the $5.7B requested for the wall. It's literally a rounding error in the budget.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

#32
post #7

I’m glad to see this. The shutdown has been too “business as usual” for most Americans, while others are expected to work without pay, which is ridiculous.

This is caused slavery, government mandated slavery. I don't see how so many people can be okay with this happening. Why are we not outraged?

Can we just call it bad without lying about what it actually is?

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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post #7

I’m glad to see this. The shutdown has been too “business as usual” for most Americans, while others are expected to work without pay, which is ridiculous.

This is caused slavery, government mandated slavery. I don't see how so many people can be okay with this happening. Why are we not outraged?

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Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

#34

Federal workers should start striking. I gather that in most cases they're explicitly prevented from striking, but I think there's a good chance that it's too unpopular to actually punish them. Also yesterday some leadership of the flight attendants union called for a general strike until it was over: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/could-an-unlikely-av...

they're explicitly prevented from striking Wow, is this true? Is this even legal (except maybe police and military)?

It happened in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

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Even without the shutdown, the U.S. air traffic control system may experience greater strain in the years to come due to a generational deficit in the number of new air traffic controllers being trained and staffed: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathryncreedy/2016/01/28/contro...

This may have been an issue with Reagan firing all members of PATCO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...

Whereas before, sufficient military air traffic controllers were willing and able to take on the job, today there is no such reserve.

One book I read recently on the topic of arbitraging the social trust was "The Fifth Risk"; it's a good read. https://smile.amazon.com/Fifth-Risk-Michael-Lewis/dp/1324002...

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

#36

Seems like it’s just delays rather than a full stoppage. From Newsweek: ‘Flights arriving into LaGuardia Airport were delayed by about 41 minutes as of 10:15 a.m. EST and gate hold and taxi delays were between 15 and 29 minutes, although FAA said it was decreasing. Arrival traffic was experiencing airborne delays of 15 minutes or less.‘ Regardless, US scoring a lot of own goals here.

The US system is highly integrated, any slowdowns causes a lot of ripples elsewhere. Plus its not like it will get better at all. Add a few snowstorms and soon nothing will move.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

#38
post #2

Was the fall of Rome this embarrassing as well?

No country is without it's issues. Not excusing what's going on though.

With that out of the way, what substantive arguments can you make that leads you to think this is anything like the fall of Rome?

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is caused slavery, government mandated slavery. I don't see how so many people can be okay with this happening. Why are we not outraged?

No, it'd be slavery if they couldn't quit.

Members of the Coast Guard are not allowed to quit. They are under UCMJ rules.

EDIT: For those that don't know the Coast Guard is not part of the Department of Defense. They are under DHS and are not getting paid and are not allowed to quit.

Re: US shutdown: Flight delays caused by staff shortages

#40

There'll be a lot of angry people if the same thing happens in Atlanta over Super Bowl weekend.

I listened to a podcast where a guest was talking about this - maybe NYTimes Daily? They said that because the tickets are so expensive there'll be a huge amount of private jets flying in to the area, and suggested that refusing to handle those would put enormous pressure on Trump.
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