Live data from Hacker News

“The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

arstechnica.com

111–120 of 122 posts

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#111
post #80
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The platform nowadays is heavily dependent on systemd and either GTK+ or Qt, none of which are GNU.

GTK+ is a GNU project.

It started out as one, but it hasn't been run by GNU in years and years, probably well over a decade now. It's currently operated by the GNOME Foundation.

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#112

Although this article brings up Dreamwidth it doesn't actually describe the full relationship behind DW and LJ. When LJ banned adult fandom fanfic, the group moved to DW and also a separate fanfiction site ArchiveOfOurOwn(AO3). AO3 in particular is part of an organization that pushes real legal change for the freedom of derivative works. LJ did not have this explicit in its creation and so fanfic writers universally…

When did LJ banned adult fandom fanfic? I remember seeing that type of content recently on LJ, but the Community/group has just moved to Dreamwidth last year.

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#113
post #100
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LJ had a much more pleasant culture in terms of interacting with strangers. I'd call that an artifact of the number of weirdos, along with the pre-Eternal September Internet world in general. The text orientation also helped. There were also a lot of highly knowledgeable people: professors and the like.

Eternal September started in 1993, according to wikipedia. It was definitely in common usage by 1995. LiveJournal started in 1999. I get what you were trying to say, but you used the wrong signpost. The web remained a relatively civil place until the mid-00s; there were trolls and astroturfers, but they were mostly contained. The real culture shift happened with social networks and mobile, in the late ‘00s, when even…

Do you have a better term for that late '00s phenom? Because that really was an Eternal September shift, although not in September, and not in '93.

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#114
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GTK+ is a GNU project.

It started out as one, but it hasn't been run by GNU in years and years, probably well over a decade now. It's currently operated by the GNOME Foundation.

gtk.org, the active and current homepage of GTK+, says right there on the homepage:

> GTK+ is free software and part of the GNU Project.

GTK+ development does take place on gitlab.gnome.org, but it is still part of GNU (unlike the rest of GNOME, which did start out as part of GNU, but hasn't been run by GNU for years and years).

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#115
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way is Telegram similar to Facebook or LiveJournal?

In how people use it (isn't it the most important thing about a social network?). In Telegram channels one can find really interesting blogs about pretty much everything from evolutionary biology to book reviews or music theory. It is very similar to how people used to use LiveJournal and quite unlike how people use Facebook (mostly posting photos or tiny pieces of text about themselves).

Thanks for that answer.

I myself don't like to use Telegram like that, I prefer to separate my IM from my blogs. But your answer caused me to rethink Telegram, because now that I think about it I do know people who participate in that part of Telegram.

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#116
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eternal September started in 1993, according to wikipedia. It was definitely in common usage by 1995. LiveJournal started in 1999. I get what you were trying to say, but you used the wrong signpost. The web remained a relatively civil place until the mid-00s; there were trolls and astroturfers, but they were mostly contained. The real culture shift happened with social networks and mobile, in the late ‘00s, when even…

Do you have a better term for that late '00s phenom? Because that really was an Eternal September shift, although not in September, and not in '93.

I think most people would just use “the advent of social media” or simply “before/after social media”. It might be cliché, but looking at the dates, that’s when things changed. FB started getting traction outside schools in 2005, Twitter appeared in mid-2006, the iPhone landed in 2007, and by the end of the decade the participants and tone of online conversations had changed irreparably.

(And it’s 2019 already? Damn, I feel so old...)

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd love to peek at the alternate universe wherein Apple doesn't migrate to the FreeBSD-based OSX. (…) > I feel like that was the moment that the Mac pulled in a lot of very technical and very influential people, with good reason You can look right now at what's happening to these very technical people. The ones I know are giving up on Apple and moving to Microsoft instead: because the WSL subsystem works, and the…

WSL certainly helps as the same or very similar toolchain works everywhere, but what does the keyboard have to do with anything? Any keyboard issues w/ Apple are hardware reliability concerns, but that's really a separate issue, I think.

[deleted]

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#118
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSL certainly helps as the same or very similar toolchain works everywhere, but what does the keyboard have to do with anything? Any keyboard issues w/ Apple are hardware reliability concerns, but that's really a separate issue, I think.

> what does the keyboard have to do with anything? https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/59pipx/app...

Has anyone ever tried to measure share among the various text editors on the Mac? The vi/emacs crowd makes a bunch of noise because it messes with their workflows, but the rest of us just soldier on with BBEdit/VSCode/Sublime/etc.

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to peek at the alternate universe wherein Apple doesn't migrate to the FreeBSD-based OSX. In the late 90s I got so worn out with stability issues inherent to Win98 on laptops that I switched to the Mac, largely because a co-worker was using one and I could SEE how much it didn't crash, and how sleep actually WORKED, and how good the hardware was, etc. Since my job at the time was primarily project management…

> I'd love to peek at the alternate universe wherein Apple doesn't migrate to the FreeBSD-based OSX. (…) > I feel like that was the moment that the Mac pulled in a lot of very technical and very influential people, with good reason You can look right now at what's happening to these very technical people. The ones I know are giving up on Apple and moving to Microsoft instead: because the WSL subsystem works, and the…

Well, some folks are. I find Windows abhorrent at every level; there's just something missing about the way it's put together, and its evolution has been slapdash in the extreme. Apple avoided this fate by effectively starting over with OS X, but Win 10 is still beholden to design choices made decades ago, and it shows.

The technical Mac folks I know aren't switching. They're just yelling a lot, and if they're on pre-butterfly keyboard Macs, they're putting off upgrades.

Of course, the VERY nerdy/technical folks can and do sometimes switch to full time Linux, but if you're used to the level of out-of-the-box just-works functionality you get out of OS X that's a hard sell.

Re: “The Linux of social media” – How LiveJournal pioneered, then lost, blogging

#120
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what does the keyboard have to do with anything? https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/59pipx/app...

Has anyone ever tried to measure share among the various text editors on the Mac? The vi/emacs crowd makes a bunch of noise because it messes with their workflows, but the rest of us just soldier on with BBEdit/VSCode/Sublime/etc.

Funny thing is, with proper use of touch typing you wouldn't need the top row: Esc is either Ctrl-[, or some map it to Caps Lock. And hardcore Vim users are definitely supposed to be deep in touch typing. So this ‘noise’ is actually just people making fun of Vim's idiosyncrasies in light of the touch bar thing.

Emacs, afaik, doesn't need the top row at all.

Post reply on HN