I'm very skinny and often get comments that I can and do eat anything, but I think I have some traits that make it easy for me: I hate ice cream (that fatty feeling in your mouth, ugh, I do love me some butter though!), in fact I don't like most desserts at all. I always prefer savory stuff (like a sandwich or olives for snacking) over sweet things (like cookies or candy). And I never get hungry anymore at night after a good dinner. My wife can each crisps 2 hours after dinner, I don't know how she does it. Or even how people can eat a piece of pie after a fulfilling meal, it just doesn't fit anymore. This could be genetic.
Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
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Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
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This is a toxic and harmful attitude. There are genetic, dietary and fitness components to obesity. This is not disputed. At least one of these components is outside of the control of the individual. Others can be influenced. If someone is chronically obese, the best thing for them is to work on what they can control with professionals, which might normally include a dietitian or a personal trainer but they might als…
While I wouldn't be as blunt as the OP, I wouldn't describe it as toxic. Ultimately if you are obese, it's because you've eaten too much and that needs to be accepted before you can do anything about it.
Ultimately you're toxic, because most people (obese or not) I know have tried at least one way to lose weight which cut calories and it failed.
If you have nothing effective to offer, really the best thing is sometimes to shut up and research why they fail and how to not make them fail.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a toxic and harmful attitude. There are genetic, dietary and fitness components to obesity. This is not disputed. At least one of these components is outside of the control of the individual. Others can be influenced. If someone is chronically obese, the best thing for them is to work on what they can control with professionals, which might normally include a dietitian or a personal trainer but they might als…
I'm curious: What's your opinion on smoking? Genetics are also likely to be involved in the likelihood of someone (not) being able to stop smoking (perhaps also starting to smoke), right? However, I haven't heard anyone blaming their smoking habit on genetics.
There is a difference, a major one. You have to eat and you don't have to smoke. Food is everywhere, cigarettes and smokers can be avoided.
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> Don't eat too much and you won't get fat. Just invent flying cars, that will solve some problems. Easy, right? The "HOW" is a problem, not "what is needed". When obese people don't eat too much, their body thinks "I don't have enough, time to enter energy saving mode and increase hunger".
That is not established. I have never seen a study that says that obese people are hungrier than non-obese people. There isn't even a way to establish a baseline.
There are at least 3 hormonal ways, but such blood sampling is prohibitively expensive for now.
Of course it'd be better I'd you could just read it off neurons, too hard though.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#35Eating too much food the 'secret to becoming fat' The secret to staying slim is to not eat more calories than your body uses. Excuses like this will only make obesity even more common and accepted than it is today.
The article starts by saying: > Scientists say they have discovered the secret behind why some people are skinny while others pile on the pounds easily. > Their work reveals newly discovered genetic regions linked to being very slim. > The international team say this supports the idea that, for some people, being thin has more to do with inheriting a "lucky" set of genes than having a perfect diet or lifestyle Furthe…
You do understand that our meals, standard ones, are generally too fat and to get thin you'd have to cut everything in half, which is essentially unhealthy without support. You'd have to cook for yourself too. And avoid all the carefully crafted tempting foods and marketing too.
Funny thing about effectiveness, that such cutting is ineffective.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
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While I wouldn't be as blunt as the OP, I wouldn't describe it as toxic. Ultimately if you are obese, it's because you've eaten too much and that needs to be accepted before you can do anything about it.
Ultimately you're toxic, because most people (obese or not) I know have tried at least one way to lose weight which cut calories and it failed. If you have nothing effective to offer, really the best thing is sometimes to shut up and research why they fail and how to not make them fail.
No need to be rude.
I'm not saying its easy or simple, but ultimately it comes down to calories in and calories out. The problem isn't going to go away if you attack people for saying that. It is the foundations that all solutions are based on.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article starts by saying: > Scientists say they have discovered the secret behind why some people are skinny while others pile on the pounds easily. > Their work reveals newly discovered genetic regions linked to being very slim. > The international team say this supports the idea that, for some people, being thin has more to do with inheriting a "lucky" set of genes than having a perfect diet or lifestyle Furthe…
You do understand that our meals, standard ones, are generally too fat and to get thin you'd have to cut everything in half, which is essentially unhealthy without support. You'd have to cook for yourself too. And avoid all the carefully crafted tempting foods and marketing too. Funny thing about effectiveness, that such cutting is ineffective.
Too fat? Fat actually doesn't make you that fat. Low fat foods with loads of sugars do. Plus high fructose sugar.
Overweight/obese is mainly a food addiction IMO. It's hard, difficult, etc. But amount of time it's due to medicines/genes is pretty limited.
There's huge differences per country in the obesity percentage which cannot be explained by things such as genes or food shortage.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#38so, obviously, calories in and calories out are what controls your weight. But that doesn't conflict with the idea that your success at managing your weight in a world where calories in are increasingly cheap and calories out are increasingly expensive is largely genetic. I think I can speak to this a little bit; I've taken four points off my BMI in the last year or year and a half or so, all through counting calorie…
I mentioned this somewhere else, but the eating can be pretty much an addiction.
> For me? writing down what I ate was key
I totally agree with this. Calories are quite easy to eat. You don't always know how much calories are in a certain product. Meaning: something small can easily have enough calories for an entire day. Once you fully know which products have a huge amount of calories you'll be able to do without.
Suggest to also try intermittent fasting. I used to unconsciously somewhat do this on a Sunday. I'd only have dinner (sleeping until late and not doing much helps a lot with this).
I also lost weight in the past btw. Keeping the same weight is difficult. Further, if you know anyone who is really skinny and 25+ years of age you'll usually be able to tell that it's a daily effort for them.
Re: Skinny genes the 'secret to staying slim'
#39Weak scientific result put in the media as a new truth. It does not take a genius to see any picture of Europe in '70s where there are people, to see that with very rare exceptions everybody was slim. The same happened in France, Italy, Germany, ... and now despite that we are genetically the same people are fat. Maybe there are people genetically more inclined to stay lean despite the terrible lifestyle, but that wo…
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If I'm 6'4" and 20 years old, I can probably eat 2500-3000 calories a day and stay slim. If I'm 5'10" and 50 years old, I can probably east about 1900 calories a date a stay slim. It is a huge difference. But, it doesn't matter. Some people can eat more than others and not get fat. There is no justice in the universe ;-). Whether it is some gene, your body size, your age or something else, it doesn't matter. Eat too…
> Don't eat too much and you won't get fat. Just invent flying cars, that will solve some problems. Easy, right? The "HOW" is a problem, not "what is needed". When obese people don't eat too much, their body thinks "I don't have enough, time to enter energy saving mode and increase hunger".
I wasn't obese, but overweight (10 to 15 kg above the baseline for my height), and i did had craving i thought i could not stop. A 3 day diet made me understand that the feeling of hunger is just that, a feeling, and some willpower was needed to ignore that.
Hormonal imbalance caused by overeating was in my case worst than the hormonal imbalance caused by lessening the amount of food i ingested, so it wasn't this hard to stop. Also my life improved a lot around that time (credit, job, appartment, relations), this might have helped too.