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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Absolutely Right About Racist Algorithms

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I think history is far more messy than you make it out to be. There are not always easy black and white answers. I don't think the brief colonial episode simply explains the wealth of my country (or many others) - especially as in between it had been completely destroyed. But that's also, again, besides the point. History was complex. All sorts of people made war with each other, murdered and enslaved. Including peop…

> I don't think the brief colonial episode simply explains the wealth of my country (or many others) - especially as in between it had been completely destroyed. The fact that your nation lost stolen wealth does not absolve it of the crime of theft friend. > But the theory that wealth is only a result of exploitation is completely wrong. Our wealth in the modern world is mostly the result of technological progress, n…

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"The fact that your nation lost stolen wealth does not absolve it of the crime of theft friend."

As I said, the winners of the war decided on the punishment. Can anybody ever be absolved of anything, really? And again, the nation is one thing, the people in it are another thing.

At some point you just have to accept what happened.

What if I was the son of a murderer, and you therefore would be of the opinion that I (the son) have no right to be alive. Would you expect me to voluntarily commit suicide, so that you can feel satisfied? That's absurd.

" I am saying that THAT wealth creation, incontrovertibly, was exploitative. "

What wealth creation do you mean - technological progress?

Funny enough, the descendants of the African slaves who were brought to the US are now better off than the descendants of the people who remained in Africa.

You could spin it endlessly. If the US hadn't been colonized, presumably technological progress would not have been huge in America. But more importantly, there would have been no allies to win the war against Germany. Hitler might have won the war. Perhaps there would not even have been a french revolution and no democracy.

What then - does that mean we Germany are entitled to the whole of Europe, because the nazi expansion was only stopped because of ill gotten colonial gains (existence of the US)?

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> If you want to go down that route, consider that many people in Africa also benefited from slavery (black tribes selling their enemies as slaves). Yeah, that's gonna be a yikes from me dawg.

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Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Absolutely Right About Racist Algorithms

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Many more things are repeated just as frequently, but somehow they don't result in banned accounts.

Sure, but it's not hard to understand why. Race war is one topic, array indexing is another. Which is the greater risk to this site? If the answer isn't obvious, please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

I don't really think that comment presents any risk to HN.

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Absolutely Right About Racist Algorithms

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> what is and is not explicitly fact that's actually based in reality It's incredibly difficult to split apart explicit fact from our own biases though. There wasn't a time too long ago that facts, as certain national and cultural groups understood them to be, were used to commit terrible atrocities.

Thanks for replying in a civil way - while I agree that scientific and academic consensus is an evolving ever moving target - to dismiss our current state of the art or state of fact because "we might be wrong compared to the future" is a moot point at best. Consensus never seeks to define absolute truth - there is no such thing as absolute truth - consensus seeks to normalize bias and maximize benefit for those invo…

I genuinely thank you for your civility - HN seems to only be cheeky in one direction - it's the kind of thing I usually hope to avoid when reading news / comments from people I would generally think have a better handle on what being decent / civil means :(

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Absolutely Right About Racist Algorithms

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Are Asians underrepresented at Harvard? Or if you’re referring to something else, can you elobarate?

Are Asians underrepresented at Harvard? Or if you’re referring to something else, can you elobarate? (sic) If you re-read my comment, it's clear that I'm not talking about rates of representation. You are trying to bring that in. We're talking about the process, be it a policy implementation or an algorithm. It's the age-old "equality of outcome" vs. "equality of opportunity." https://archive.org/stream/HarrisonBerge…

I wasn’t trying to bring anything in, simply curious exactly what you meant. You’re right though, if I had read you comment more closely I would have realized my question was irrelevant. Thanks for the link.

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Absolutely Right About Racist Algorithms

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It’s more clear to me than ever now that the left and the right do not use the word “racist” the same way. The left thinks of racism in terms of outcome and the right thinks of racism in terms of intent. We could benefit from better language around these concepts, and honest dialogue about them too.

Intent and impact are not always the same.
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