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Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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There are other aspects to Office 365 that are quite valuable to people, like a huge increase in the size of their OneDrive storage quotas, the ability to install Office on multiple devices rather than just one (which is pretty common; people install Office apps connected to their 365 accounts on their mobiles, tablets, etc.), Skype airtime, technical support beyond the first 60 days of purchase, and with certain pla…

Well, maybe two different things have gotten conflated here. What I'm calling ridiculous is the fact that Microsoft is charging a subscription for Office. The flexibility to install on multiple devices is something that shouldn't be tied to a subscription license in the first place. And neither is more OneDrive space (why you'd want OneDrive space in the first place is a separate issue) or Skype airtime. It also does…

> Of course everyone hates Adobe's awful subscription model

Not everyone. I have access to pretty much everything Adobe makes for $30 per month. That’s a far better deal than paying hundreds each for an app I might use occasionally. It also includes TypeKit and let’s me use Adobe fonts in any application, not just Adobe’s or on the web.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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I'm wondering if it's worth uninstalling Office and reinstalling. If it uses the App Store update mechanism instead of Microsoft Autoupdate I would prefer it. Autoupdate presents a window almost every time a launch an Office application.

I just did that. Luckily I installed Office with Homebrew Cask, so removing was just brew cask uninstall microsoft-office away. For me the app store version has many benefits: - Microsoft sneaked OneDrive into the Office installer. I do not want OneDrive on my system - All the applications are sandboxed per app store requirements. - Indeed no more pesky Microsoft Autoupdate.

I had Office 365 installed manually from Microsoft using their installer. I didn't even have to uninstall it, just downloaded from the App Store and it updated to that installation option now. I didn't have to log back in, or do anything other than enter my keychain password (many times) for it.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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I'm wondering if it's worth uninstalling Office and reinstalling. If it uses the App Store update mechanism instead of Microsoft Autoupdate I would prefer it. Autoupdate presents a window almost every time a launch an Office application.

Also, the App Store version is going to be a bit more sandboxed. I just replaced the regular with the App Store version and it went without a hitch. Just needed keychain access to Microsoft identity, and a login to Live.

Interestingly, I'm not seeing much of a difference in the two. It seems that the non-App Store version was sandboxed as well, and both have a long list of ways they "poke through" the sandboxing model.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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1. Go to Office365.com 2. Login 3. Do you want to stay logged in? 4. Is your information up to date? 5. Office / OneCloud homepage ("Good evening"). Press 'Install Office' (its a secondary/white button that blends into background, whereas 'New doc' is a blue button). (20 URL redirects) 6. Installs page. Press 'Install Office' again. 7. Still Installs page, now with banner that says 'Your Office 365 subscription info…

> Just because Marzipan/UIKit today doesn't have good MacOS affordances doesn't mean it won't in the future, especially since it's not even being offered to developers right now. I don't see why it's difficult to see where the puck is going here. It's not difficult to see where it's going. I just think people are believing it's going where they'd like to see it, where they think it's best for it to go; whereas Apple…

You're right to point out that I'm in the optimistic camp on this issue. I think it's both do-able over the course of several years of refinements, and necessary given that I think we're not done yet with innovation in interaction methods. We've been on a plateau for a while with iDevices and Macs. Meanwhile, foldable screens, touch surfaces replacing keyboards, and gaze tracking are on the horizon, and those will require some fundamental UX work to be done across both iOS and MacOS, making them even more similar than before. Those techs are Even without new interaction methods, this kind of work is not an endeavor I think most companies can undertake, especially not Microsoft. Their failure doesn't reflect on the opportunity or possibility, because they really lack the deep bench of skill and company culture of perfectionism to get the UX right, and they don't have the market leverage or third party developer culture to push developers toward new things (see win32, uwp, etc). Win8 was a half-hearted springboard reskin that was only surface deep, and in no way a re-think of combining touch+mouse, let alone meaningful guidance and tools for developers on how to make apps span both. Users rightly rejected it and Win10 went back to a more incremental approach that's still mired in weird reskin issues, and touch is largely an afterthought on Windows except in specific apps.

Re: Mac App Store, it isn't actually a Marzipan app, though it shares some of the questionable UX choices. I'm particularly not fond of the full page modal with 'Done' button rather than the more traditional back/forward design. Totally agree with you on this and the Marzipan quality issues.

Discord is sort of representative of an aspect of the problem a combined UIKit is looking to solve - devs are using things like Electron to get cross-platform support but creating crappy anachronistic non-native experiences in the process. If devs can build for UIKit and get some platform-specific graceful enhancements built-in (as they did going from iPhone -> iPad), that changes the calculus on building with Electron or whatever.

There's a lot of implementation details regarding Marzipan and UIKit but - saying this as a designer who's had to do a fair share of mixed mobile-desktop work - I don't see any fundamental blockers to the approach that would prevent pro apps on the Mac getting their interaction density on mouse and touch apps getting their lower interaction density touch targets. Just a lot of work and decisions to make around how to progressively enhance and offer platform-specific flexibility. But that's just my take, I can see why others might disagree.

We'll see this June. Apparently some more fundamental UX changes were delayed last year to focus on quality, so this year is likely a big year.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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post #62

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Is MS Access still missing?

Yes, I believe there are no plans to get Access to work on macOS.

I believe that is a good thing. I used to work at Microsoft and many of their own employees hate Access and wish Microsoft would have replaced it with Foxpro when they bought that back in the 90s.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

#108

PSA: iTunes gift cards can usually be had for a discount (generally 15%, maybe more) so you can save some $ with this move.

Are you saying you can buy $100 iTunes gift cards for $85 dollars? That's kinda sketchy....

There are a lot of deals like that from time to time and it's not sketchy.

https://www.imore.com/thrifter-deal-score-50-itunes-gift-car...

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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post #72

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They did an entire rewrite of iPhoto -> Photos, and slowly added features back. They did this same with the iWork suite and Final Cut Pro as well. It's not unique to iOS. iPhoto may be remembered fondly but it really needed a UX and technical overhaul to handle the order of magnitude increase in photos and videos people were taking.

It really did. It struggled with MobileMe photo streams; in the modern days of iCloud (being free) and Photo Library, iPhoto would have to be renamed to Beachball Simulator.

Oh man, the Mavericks days of iPhoto were getting rough. Beachball city.

Re: Office 365 is now on Mac App Store

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Big move. I see this potentially as groundwork for the eventual integration of Mac and iOS App Stores, which you have to imagine is something Apple wants in the years ahead as platforms converge on common software stack and UX. It's also a signal that the App Store team may now be willing to do the deals necessary to attract MacOS apps back toward this larger strategic initiative (vs just trying to maximize revenue).…

> Now that Windows is sidelined Only available on 83% of Desktops worldwide. hmm..

Strategically it's been completely sidelined. Windows division, once the major power player in Microsoft, is gone. Windows the OS is still installed on a bunch of computers, but we're increasingly in a mobile and cloud world, and the strategy tax of 'Windows first' was preventing Microsoft from pursuing important initiatives.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/30/17179328/microsoft-window...

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