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Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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Free markets are the worst basis for an economy, except for all the others.

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The spectacular performance of the US economy, 1800 to the present, relative to countries with varying levels of socialism. The poor performance of socialist industries in the US. The failure of any socialist/communal agricultural system to produce enough food to feed itself. (Even the Soviets gave up on collective farms.)

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Citation needed

The spectacular performance of the US economy, 1800 to the present, relative to countries with varying levels of socialism. The poor performance of socialist industries in the US. The failure of any socialist/communal agricultural system to produce enough food to feed itself. (Even the Soviets gave up on collective farms.)

Was the market in 19th century America truly free?

http://histsociety.blogspot.com/2013/12/why-were-tariffs-pol...

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The spectacular performance of the US economy, 1800 to the present, relative to countries with varying levels of socialism. The poor performance of socialist industries in the US. The failure of any socialist/communal agricultural system to produce enough food to feed itself. (Even the Soviets gave up on collective farms.)

Was the market in 19th century America truly free? http://histsociety.blogspot.com/2013/12/why-were-tariffs-pol...

Was it a perfect free market? Nope. Nothing human is perfect. But it was a workable approximation of one.

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Was the market in 19th century America truly free? http://histsociety.blogspot.com/2013/12/why-were-tariffs-pol...

Was it a perfect free market? Nope. Nothing human is perfect. But it was a workable approximation of one.

This isn’t a moral judgment. But a market propped up with strong tariffs is by definition not a free market. The American economy you’re lauding was a mixed economy.

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I know lots of bootcamp grads who got their first job at large and mid sized companies (100+). You should go look up the companies that grads from places like hack reactor go to. There are many big names in there (and grads that I know personally, that have gone to work for places like Uber, Airbnb, and LinkedIn).

I have a friend who's a Hack Reactor alum. There is simply no comparison between the rigor of their program and what the majority of bootcamps require. HR is incredibly selective in who they pick; they behave like an elite school in that regard. Their cohorts would likely be successful as self taught devs anyway, so HR knows they can push them hard. Most bootcamps focus on commerce first; if you can pay, you can atte…

I don't disagree that most bootcamps are lower quality.

What I am instead saying is that I strongly oppose barriers to entry, that a union would implement, to keep out the highly qualified people from the top places like hack reactor.

It would not be possible for people like that to succeed if unions started throwing up barriers to entry, regardless of how good the bootcampers are.

And this applies to top tier self taught programmers too.

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Was it a perfect free market? Nope. Nothing human is perfect. But it was a workable approximation of one.

This isn’t a moral judgment. But a market propped up with strong tariffs is by definition not a free market. The American economy you’re lauding was a mixed economy.

You can't make water 100% pure, either. That doesn't mean you're not drinking water.

Your claim that it must be perfect to be considered a free market is argumentative, not substantive.

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Please read this recent news about a lawsuit brought by a shareholder against the board. [1] There's more than one man named in that. > And it really is non of your or my business that any of that happened. I strongly disagree. If we have to criticize or call for action only when we're personally impacted, we wouldn't have civilized society. Google paid "hush money" to not reveal what happened. Also, more than 20000…

Number of people doing something does not strengthen any argument. I can point to 100s of things that the masses do that are completely wrong. So the fact that 20k Google employees did anything does not mean they were right. A civilized society does not have people getting outraged and storming out of work every time they feel offended, or don't agree with the actions of others. Even more so when those people simply…

Everything you say above (except the last sentence) is true in the general sense. But you seem to have missed what's happened in the sexual harassment scene around the world in the last few years, and hence treating this as a one off expression of anger by some people doesn't make sense. I've said enough on this topic for now.

Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers

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This isn’t a moral judgment. But a market propped up with strong tariffs is by definition not a free market. The American economy you’re lauding was a mixed economy.

You can't make water 100% pure, either. That doesn't mean you're not drinking water. Your claim that it must be perfect to be considered a free market is argumentative, not substantive.

Ha-Joong Chang might disagree[0], but okay I’ll dodge the No True Scotsman accusation.

What’s your definition of free market, then?

[0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/ha-joon-...

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Funny how people only ever use "entitled" to describe labor demanding better treatment from management, but never to describe management demanding that labor do more for less.

> Funny how people only ever use "entitled" to describe labor demanding better treatment from management, but never to describe management demanding that labor do more for less. “Entitled” is a term used by elites to describe their lessers seeking to be above their rightful station. It's only ever used to punch down. Other terms are used for the already powerful seeking to retain power including some that reflect the…

I regularly see "entitled" used as a slur against those seen as assuming privileges they should not have or do not deserve. I've seen it attached to the Covington teenagers more than once.

With that in mind, I think the word may have a general-purpose use to describe people grabbing for things the speaker things they should not have.

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Google has never, as far as I know, required that work email systems be used for performance of job duties only. They certainly want work usage to be primary, and in some countries and circumstances they claim more rights to intellectual property created using work systems that they otherwise wouldn't claim, but they do allow incidental personal use. In my experience working there in the past (before these cultural i…

And I’ve never worked for Google or Alphabet. The company has nothing to do with it, this is about a supposed moral issue that should (I hope) apply to every company, not just them.

Your initial argument in the post I was replying to seemed to be based on the assumption that Google forbade non-work use of work email; I was simply saying they don't, so the nuances around those bans don't apply. That's all I was addressing.
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