Indigenous civilizations are far older and more complex than history suggests

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Re: Indigenous civilizations are far older and more complex than history suggests

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Post by ZenPsycho » Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 6:47 AM UTC

devoply wrote: post #76

dragontamer wrote: post #75

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The Myth of the noble savage is also propagated by our culture. Its just that, a myth. If you look at truly historical documents, such as Lewis and Clark's expedition, you'd learn that Native Americans killed Buffalo to an incredible degree. Read May 29, 1805: https://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/item/lc.jrn.1805-05-29 > [T]oday we passed on the Stard. side the remains of a vast many mangled carcases of Buffalow whi…

> If you look at truly historical documents, such as Lewis and Clark's expedition, you'd learn that Native Americans killed Buffalo to an incredible degree. And the Europeans built railroads and paid people to shoot them dead from trains specifically to starve natives. They pretty much wiped them out. > The natives would slaughter the ENTIRE HERD at a time, in this case by scaring them off a 120-foot cliff. The nativ…

estimates of pre-colonial north american population are between 8 million and 112 million.

Re: Indigenous civilizations are far older and more complex than history suggests

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Post by hutzlibu » Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 7:35 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #73

hutzlibu wrote: post #63

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" vs even the 1960s with Vietnam war (where Kind of a US-centric view, as there were also some dead Vietnamese as well as civilian casualties as well. So if you take those numbers: WW1, 9.7 million dead soldiers, 10 million dead civilian and compare it to 1.3 million dead soldiers and 3-5 million civilians - then WW1 was actually much more civil, as the ratio of dead civillians vs. soldier was around 1:1 vs 2 or thre…

> But yes, also 60000 us boys died. The only real tragedy here. I never said that. I never made any moral judgement about any entire war or country. Since you're clearly inventing your own strawman to argue with I won't get in your way. Other than to say I was making a very specific analogy to make a point. An analogy about the evolving tolerances of nation states towards evil... using two related historical examples…

I did not say you said that.

I just pointed out that your thinking of the vietnam war by only mentioning US losses is telling. And went further on that road.

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