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DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]

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Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]

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but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race Does that really matter? AFAICT he's in the top #100 [1]. For a game as complex as SC2, it's pretty significant that DeepMind is showing these kinds of results already. It's only going to improve from here right? [1]: https://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/players/14064-tlo

With Protoss, he's not remotely near that. And that does matter if you intend to make huge a press release in the shape of "DeepMind AI beats top pro player". We'll see in an hour if that's what they're going for.

there is a LiquidMana coming on now ;)

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I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…

> Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup.

I believe their eventual Science paper addressed these concerns.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Protoss, he's not remotely near that. And that does matter if you intend to make huge a press release in the shape of "DeepMind AI beats top pro player". We'll see in an hour if that's what they're going for.

there is a LiquidMana coming on now ;)

I'm excited. :)

Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]

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I am somewhat disappointed that they stream only hand-picked replays. For a big, announced presentation, they should be at a stage to stream live games (like OpenAI did with Dota). However, apart from that great work by Deepmind and I am excited to follow the progress in this area.

They just announced there will be live streamed game(s) after Mana's series.

Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]

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I am somewhat disappointed that they stream only hand-picked replays. For a big, announced presentation, they should be at a stage to stream live games (like OpenAI did with Dota). However, apart from that great work by Deepmind and I am excited to follow the progress in this area.

Apparently there is going to be a live exhibition match after showing the replays of the matches against TLO and Mana.

Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]

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I am somewhat disappointed that they stream only hand-picked replays. For a big, announced presentation, they should be at a stage to stream live games (like OpenAI did with Dota). However, apart from that great work by Deepmind and I am excited to follow the progress in this area.

They said all replays will be posted online.

Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]

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I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…

>but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race.

I don't understand this part of the complaint, and it also seems to go counter to the idea that they should be releasing more data. Do we only want to see the state of these systems once they're beating everyone? I prefer to see the progress of these systems over time. Seeing an AI getting stomped on by a pro player doesn't really show us what an AI is currently capable if most people would also get stomped by a pro player.

Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]

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I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…

The fact that the community has been able to use the published paper to replicate all of AlphaZero's results in both chess, go (and a number of other similar combinatorial games) and get similar performance should lay your concerns to rest.

Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]

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I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…

Because it's still insanely impressive. I would have been blown away if the AI was merely at the platinum level. This is an AI playing starcraft. Starcraft!

>This is an AI playing starcraft. Starcraft!

Yeah, it's not like computers were ever able to play StarCraft before. Oh, wait...

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I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…

> Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. I believe their eventual Science paper addressed these concerns.

Which paper? How did they address it?
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