DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
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Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#2Here is another link (YouTube) that allows you to go back in time if you've missed anything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs
Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#3I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your supposedly superhuman AI?
(Edit: This comment was made during the stream and it just looks like my point will be addressed before the stream's even finished, they'll let the AI play against a true top Protoss. Yeah!)
Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#4I am somewhat disappointed that they stream only hand-picked replays. For a big, announced presentation, they should be at a stage to stream live games (like OpenAI did with Dota).
However, apart from that great work by Deepmind and I am excited to follow the progress in this area.
Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#5I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…
but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race
[1]: https://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/players/14064-tlo
Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#6I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…
Even so - to me this is kind of a big deal. Go is fully observable, there might be an intractable number of combinations, but the game is well defined and everything is out in the open.
In Starcraft you don't have full knowledge of the game (fog of war), there are infinitely more game paths , you have to scout, plan for the long term (macro), react tactically in the short-term, micromanage, etc. I'm actually shocked at it's performance.
Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#7I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…
Because it's still insanely impressive. I would have been blown away if the AI was merely at the platinum level. This is an AI playing starcraft. Starcraft!
Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#8I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…
In all of the games Alphastar was slower than TLO in the build order. I agree that TLO could have been faster, but this was definitely not the deciding factor.
I think the main factor was Alpha* just had incredibly accurate assessment of exactly what part of it's army it needed to defend/attack and was very careful.
Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#9I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…
>I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race
For what it's worth, this comment reminds me a lot of[1]:
> FYI, Fan Hui, the current European Go champion that Google DeepMind defeated, is ONLY a 2nd Dan Go player. The Highest Dan ranking in Go is 9th Dan!
Re: DeepMind StarCraft II Demonstration [video]
#10I'm starting to get annoyed with these DeepMind publicity stunts. They don't release any code, and don't let anyone verify their results. Their chess AI beating Stockfish involved some at least a bit questionable setup. And here? I'm a big fan of TLO, but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race. With Protoss, he's clearly making amateur-level mistakes. Why choose this setting to show off your su…
but he's currently not even in the top 50 even with his main race Does that really matter? AFAICT he's in the top #100 [1]. For a game as complex as SC2, it's pretty significant that DeepMind is showing these kinds of results already. It's only going to improve from here right? [1]: https://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/players/14064-tlo
With Protoss, he's not remotely near that. And that does matter if you intend to make huge a press release in the shape of "DeepMind AI beats top pro player". We'll see in an hour if that's what they're going for.