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Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
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Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is basically fact free. First, you have the timing wrong. " In filings in May 2017 " IE before a PR and HR crisis or whatever you want to call it. Second, it was solicited, as they were written as a legal response to a legal claim. Third, claiming that expresses a policy preference is silly. Do you believe that criminal defense attorneys express a policy preference that say, murder is okay? If you go and read th…
> you have the timing wrong. " In filings in May 2017 Conceded. Pardon me--cannot edit the original comment. > it was solicited, as they were written as a legal response to a legal claim Do we know these filings were in response to a legal claim? It could have been in response to something more frivolous. (I am having trouble finding the filing.) > Do you believe that criminal defense attorneys express a policy prefe…
the person you are arguing with has real credentials in this matter (lawyer) and works for the company we are discussing. Even if you don't agree with him, he's knowledgeable and honest about the situation.
Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It isn’t nearly as easy to connect to people outside the workplace. I think this is absolute core of the discussion. Like nearly all bad decisions ultimately it comes down to convenience . If this form of political discourse were as important as people claim they would find a way.
You know, unless the difficulty of doing without it makes it infeasible . Mobility impaired people lobbied for curb cutouts waybackwhen because it would make it easier to use sidewalks. I think that situation obviously shouldn't be belittled by saying it's about convenience . Ugh, if going to the grocery store were as important as they claim they would find a way /s. I'm not convinced this particular situation isn't…
Accessibility is justified by equal access or anti-discrimination, which isn't the same as convenience. As an accessibility advocate I find that equivalence either insulting or grossly misinformed. This conversation isn't about equal access. Trying to warp it into such is insulting.
Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Programmers, maybe ones on HN especially, are super conservative and anti-labour for some reason. I don't know the history of Silicon Valley enough to figure out exactly why
Almost every programmer I've met in real life, and certainly most of the folks on HN, are very liberal yet are largely anti-organized labor. Don't conflate a general disdain for one policy with an entire political ideology.
Liberalism is a right-wing ideology...
Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#145These comments read like a bunch of low-income retail shoppers defending Walmart because they provide something they otherwise couldn't get. I think these types of debates are bellwether for programmer/IT professional unionization. These are the exact types of lawsuits brought against organized labor as it was trying to get organized to prevent exploitative behavior. It's disturbing to see these same anti-organizatio…
Programmers, maybe ones on HN especially, are super conservative and anti-labour for some reason. I don't know the history of Silicon Valley enough to figure out exactly why
Maybe not every anonymous account on HN corresponds to a real individual?
Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#146These comments read like a bunch of low-income retail shoppers defending Walmart because they provide something they otherwise couldn't get. I think these types of debates are bellwether for programmer/IT professional unionization. These are the exact types of lawsuits brought against organized labor as it was trying to get organized to prevent exploitative behavior. It's disturbing to see these same anti-organizatio…
Programmers, maybe ones on HN especially, are super conservative and anti-labour for some reason. I don't know the history of Silicon Valley enough to figure out exactly why
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Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Programmers, maybe ones on HN especially, are super conservative and anti-labour for some reason. I don't know the history of Silicon Valley enough to figure out exactly why
Almost every programmer I've met in real life, and certainly most of the folks on HN, are very liberal yet are largely anti-organized labor. Don't conflate a general disdain for one policy with an entire political ideology.
Being pro-labour is one of the cornerstones of being leftist. I think you are using the word liberal differently than the antonym of conservative - which I am implying to be "right-wing". Maybe "social liberalism" is a good term for what you seem to be saying.
Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost every programmer I've met in real life, and certainly most of the folks on HN, are very liberal yet are largely anti-organized labor. Don't conflate a general disdain for one policy with an entire political ideology.
Liberalism is a right-wing ideology...
You are technically right yet still downvoted. These days these words have so many different definitions for different people that they've become nearly meaningless.
Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps not a shill but definitely providing a distorted interpretation of what the article says as clearly as possible: Official filings > Google’s attorneys wrote that the 2014 standard “should be overruled” and a [...] precedent [...] should be reinstated. Google spokesperson > We're not lobbying for changes to any rules Reconciling this information into an opinion that only gives credit to PR words, while complet…
Lobbying is talking to legislatures and regulators in an attempt to change laws/policy. Arguing in court is trying to do an end run around the legislatures and regulators. Big difference.
> Arguing in court
Lobbying is not limited to specific venues if that's what you mean. It's "attempting to influence the actions, policies, or decisions of officials in their daily life, most often legislators or members of regulatory agencies". Isn't the NLRB exactly such an agency, given its power to undo a precedent?
Whether you do it by "urging" them in a justice court or "influencing" them on a tennis court it's still the same even when arguing semantics.
Arguing in court that this specific case doesn't fall under the regulation is just arguing in court. Arguing to undo the regulation is literally lobbying. They are asking people with the power to regulate to undo regulation. Read this as you wish.
Unless the Bloomberg article is misleading in the way it words the story then I believe my comment is pretty accurate.
Re: Google Urged the U.S. to Limit Protection for Activist Workers
#150These comments read like a bunch of low-income retail shoppers defending Walmart because they provide something they otherwise couldn't get. I think these types of debates are bellwether for programmer/IT professional unionization. These are the exact types of lawsuits brought against organized labor as it was trying to get organized to prevent exploitative behavior. It's disturbing to see these same anti-organizatio…
I am not against unions but having spent a career trying to get business to tell me what exactly they want I tend not to put too much faith in large organisations. I feel the administrative overhead of getting all us programmers to agree on specific principles as part of a union is literally going to be impossible. Try putting some developers using electron, PHP, Java and Postgresql in a room and see if you can get p…
You seem to be arguing that the employee actions described in the article didn’t already happen.
Trivialities like favorite technologies can be put aside when it comes to questions of values and fairness.