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Re: Canada's New Food Guide

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Post by EForEndeavour »

deegles wrote: post #96
NumberWangMan wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Olive oil is not a healthy fat (as much as I'd love it to be) -- it's got a substantial amount of saturated fat, and the interviewer is correct -- it's very easy to get a lot of empty calories with oil. Aside from that, weight is not the only issue. A high fat diet (even a vegan one) is not good for your cardiovascular system. There's a widely quoted study by high-fat diet proponents comparing two groups eating a hig…

I read somewhere that a mix of 50% olive oil and 50% butter very closely approximates the lipid profile of human fat. If saturated fat is bad for you, why does the body choose to store "bad" fats? Wouldn't evolution have weeded out saturated fat storage since it's "bad" for your cardiovascular system?

This argument makes no sense to me. The storage of excess energy in the form of body fat is completely different from the health impacts of the type of fat that you eat. A person's body fat will always be saturated, but their health outcomes will vary drastically based on their diet.

This argument reminds me of the vast difference between eating genetically modified plant or animal tissue versus modifying your own genes.

Re: Canada's New Food Guide

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Post by igrekel »

PalantirSlayer wrote: post #9

If governements tells you what to eat please be skeptical. They have got it wrong in past and they might be wrong today. The best diet advice always comes from grandma.

For some perspective, the original guide was produced to help the Canadian population to stay healthy during war induced restrictions.

The later, and current version of the guide influence institutional kitchens that do not have dedicated nutritionists such as daycares, some schools, clinics, etc.

If I followed by grandma's preferences we'd be eating canned food, salted meat, mincemeat pie, a lot of mayonnaise and cookies (exaggerating of course).

Re: Canada's New Food Guide

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Post by Someone1234 »

SECProto wrote: post #100
NumberWangMan wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Olive oil is not a healthy fat (as much as I'd love it to be) -- it's got a substantial amount of saturated fat, and the interviewer is correct -- it's very easy to get a lot of empty calories with oil. Aside from that, weight is not the only issue. A high fat diet (even a vegan one) is not good for your cardiovascular system. There's a widely quoted study by high-fat diet proponents comparing two groups eating a hig…

Where's the proof of your assertion that olive oil is not a healthy fat due to the saturated fat content? I'm under the impression saturated fat is a bogeyman similar to cholesterol.

The very same Harvard web-site?

> Saturated fats, while not as harmful as trans fats, by comparison with unsaturated fats negatively impact health and are best consumed in moderation. Foods containing large amounts of saturated fat include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream. Some plant-based fats like coconut oil and palm oil are also rich in saturated fat.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you...

Re: Canada's New Food Guide

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Post by [deleted] »

spraak wrote: post #42
Escolte wrote: post #39

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As someone from Spain, a place that's soon gonna have the highest life expectancy in the world, yeah we're not removing olive oil from about 50% of the "core" dishes that we regularly eat. Sources: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/spain-to-beat-... https://www.oliveoilmarket.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3.p...

I don't have the book at hand right now to cite exact pages, but Dr. Greger's "How Not to Die" has a much better explanation and cited sources on why one would want to avoid oils in favor of the whole plant source. Looking at longevity, it's relative and multifaceted - maybe oils aren't as damaging as not exercising, but it doesn't make them healthy.

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Re: Canada's New Food Guide

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Post by HelenePhisher »

spraak wrote: post #42
Escolte wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone from Spain, a place that's soon gonna have the highest life expectancy in the world, yeah we're not removing olive oil from about 50% of the "core" dishes that we regularly eat. Sources: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/spain-to-beat-... https://www.oliveoilmarket.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/3.p...

I don't have the book at hand right now to cite exact pages, but Dr. Greger's "How Not to Die" has a much better explanation and cited sources on why one would want to avoid oils in favor of the whole plant source. Looking at longevity, it's relative and multifaceted - maybe oils aren't as damaging as not exercising, but it doesn't make them healthy.

Funny thing is that Dr. Valter Longo suggests the exact opposite - a take-in of 80 grams of olive oil a day: https://valterlongo.com/cardiovascular-diseases/

I read both books - "How not to die" (Greger) and "the Longevity Diet" - and I thought about their opinions as well. ATM I tend to stick to good oils from plants as well as nuts. Greger is not very convincing - mostly because he suggests nuts as well, and a good produced oil (like extra virgine olive oil) does not loose much nutritional value. I don't care about reduced antioxidants in oil if I combine it with greens that have loads of them.

Re: Canada's New Food Guide

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Post by village-idiot »

benj111 wrote: post #75
village-idiot wrote: post #65

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Calcium in milk is also not bio-available once it’s been homogenized, because it’s stripped out of its protective fat layer and expose to lactose which binds to it in a way that humans can’t undo on our own. Milk is a fantastic source of calcium, when you don’t mess with it too much. Why wouldn’t it be? It’s evolved specifically to grow mammals up to full size as quickly as possible, which includes growing a lot of b…

Do you have any links? It's not a claim I've ever heard before.

Not a link, but a book. Deep Nutrition, by Catherine Shanahan.

She cites a couple hundred studies in the book, worth a read if you’re into this stuff.

Re: Canada's New Food Guide

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Post by hnnh44 »

village-idiot wrote: post #66
ramy_d wrote: post #12

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Do you have anything to back that statement up? https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-food-...

Food science in general is as corrupt as it gets, with the vast majority of research funded by and favorable to agriculture businesses. Even stuff that we take for granted as healthy, such as fruit and vegetables, often have their benefits massively overstated by the companies that stand to benefit by such proclamations of health. The area has been an absolute miserable failure in its obstensible goals, making us hea…

If the food industry doesn't fund research, are we better off with none at all?

Yes, individual vegetables and products matter relatively little compared to balanced eating. But saying this guide isn't useful is factually incorrect.

Its an improvement over the previous guide. That makes it useful. It tells people to eat more veggies. That makes it useful.

Unfortunately we live in a world with imperfect information and while it's not the perfect guide for everyone, no gude ever will be.

The biggest issue with your rant is simply that you're complaining needlessly without offering a useful alternative.

You've made some obviously incorrect statements. The fact is that people are living longer, and dying of "sicknesses" they wouldn't live long enough to reach in the past. America hasnt one so well on those metrics, but the world as a whole has significantly improved.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=World+wide+life+expectancy+trend

Re: Canada's New Food Guide

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Post by SECProto »

Someone1234 wrote: post #105
SECProto wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where's the proof of your assertion that olive oil is not a healthy fat due to the saturated fat content? I'm under the impression saturated fat is a bogeyman similar to cholesterol.

The very same Harvard web-site? > Saturated fats, while not as harmful as trans fats, by comparison with unsaturated fats negatively impact health and are best consumed in moderation. Foods containing large amounts of saturated fat include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream. Some plant-based fats like coconut oil and palm oil are also rich in saturated fat. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-shoul…

> The very same Harvard web-site?

Thanks, but that is not from the post I was responding to, and only addresses part of the claim I was disputing. The link says unsaturated fats are better than saturated fats... and specifically calls out olive oil as being healthy:

> “Good” unsaturated fats — Monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats — lower disease risk. Foods high in good fats include vegetable oils (such as olive, canola, sunflower, soy, and corn), nuts, seeds, and fish.

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