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Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by 2stop »

idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

If you have a foreign phone and turn on international roaming the firewall Doesn't apply. Has been my experience.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by cocoggu »

slickbuntu wrote: post #8
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it possible to use a VPN in the PR of China?

It's tricky. But doable. I know because I have done it on all three of my trips there.

I've been there for a while (2 years straight and more than 6 years since my first trip), I used many different VPNs providers and even setup my own servers.

Although the company is a bit shady and I'm pretty sure they have some connection with the party, Astrill is the best to use in terms of performance, bandwidth and ease of use. They recently added WireGuard support which is blazing fast.

However, if your priority is privacy, probably you should use your own server, or just stay out of China.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by jamp897 »

idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

My AT&T iPhone wasn’t blocked when roaming in China, it seems they make exceptions for foreign phones. They’re censors are very clever at knowing where the limits are.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by chillacy »

> Bing,..., is active on 320,000 unique devices monthly, according to third-party research firm iResearch. That’s dwarfed by Baidu’s 466 million and Sogou’s 43 million.

Wow, bing is even less popular there than it is here relative to google.

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Post by jamp897 »

curt15 wrote: post #20
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it possible to use a VPN in the PR of China?

Also what about ssh?

It works quite well, but you need a host that isn’t blocked, and they tend to block AWS IPs, so you have to change the IP every now and then. For browsing SwitchyOmega works well with ssh.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by ardy42 »

lordnacho wrote: post #16
ardy42 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, but if you bring in a foreign phone to China with international data roaming, you can still access the uncensored internet with it. The data appears to be routed separately over the phone network, and it appears to exit from your carrier in your home country.

I've heard this is a temporary thing to make it easier for visitors, and it will stop working if you stay too long.

> I've heard this is a temporary thing to make it easier for visitors, and it will stop working if you stay too long.

It is, but my understanding is that's because roaming is expensive for your home carrier, so they'll cancel your account due to unprofitability if you spend too much time roaming with it.

See the fine print in this T-Mobile document:

https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-3226

> Not for extended international use; you must reside in the U.S. and primary usage must occur on our U.S. network. Device must register on our U.S. network before international use.

> ...

> Network Management: Service may be slowed, suspended, terminated, or restricted for misuse, abnormal use, interference with our network or ability to provide quality service to other users, or significant roaming.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by carlmr »

chillacy wrote: post #25

> Bing,..., is active on 320,000 unique devices monthly, according to third-party research firm iResearch. That’s dwarfed by Baidu’s 466 million and Sogou’s 43 million. Wow, bing is even less popular there than it is here relative to google.

I mean Bing also means sick in Chinese, so it's not a good choice of name.
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