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Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by bkor »

SeaSeaRider wrote: post #77
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political reasons? Yes, the UK is leaving the EU, they do not WANT to be part of the EU anymore. Letting go of a domain extension is only a small price to pay in comparison. They can't have their cake and eat it too - leave means leave. That's 250.000 domains whose owners and (if applicable) personnel had the option to vote remain. Of course, they can still move to remain in the EU after all.

The terrifying thing is that people with your mindset are actually part of the bureaucracy of the EU. No credible company will keep a .EU domain if they go ahead with this unhinged plan to delete 250000 domains.

> bureaucracy of the EU

The EU is actually quite efficient with its money considering all the things it does. Probably because loads of things are done centrally instead of repeated across 27 countries. This despite the stupid continuous moving between Brussels and Strasbourg.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by tremon »

DomreiRoam wrote: post #8

Brexit notice from EURid the domain name registry that operates the .eu top-level domain: https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit- notice/

Thanks! That notice is a far cry from the "within 48 hours of the revocation" as suggested in the article. It's actually two months grace period with normal domain availability, followed by ten months of suspension (domain will be removed from the published zone, but not available for reuse).

The most important wording is this, I think (save for the flag day, the text is the same in both scenarios):

From $flagday, EURid will NOT allow the registration of any new domain name where the registrant country code is either GB/GI.

On $flagday, EURid will again notify by email both GB/GI registrants and their registrars that their domain name(s) is not in compliance with the .eu regulatory framework. Registrants will be given the possibility to demonstrate their compliance with the .eu regulatory framework by updating their contact data [..] During this two-month period, the domain names in question will remain active.

As of ${flagday +2months}, all registrants who did not demonstrate their eligibility will be deemed ineligible and their domain names will be WITHDRAWN. A WITHDRAWN domain name no longer functions, as the domain name is removed from the zone file and can no longer support any active services (such as websites or email).

Twelve months after the UK withdrawal, i.e. on ${flagday +12months}, all the affected domain names will be REVOKED, and will become AVAILABLE for general registration. Their release will occur in batches from the time they become available.

Where $flagday is either the Brexit date (29 March 2019) in case of a no-deal, or the end of the transition period (1 January 2021) in case a withdrawal agreement is in place.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by robertony »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #68
cabalamat wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> eu-hostile populist parties are on the rise everywhere in Europe Populist parties are on the rise, and many of them have made anti-EU noises in the past. However, with Brexit, they've got very quiet about leaving the EU. If Brexit does go ahead, I expect it will be sufficiently unpleasant that no-one else will want to leave.

I wouldn't be too sure, some countries might get kicked out - Greece was at risk of that for a while. It's precarious. And there's a big power on the east who would love to see the EU (and the US) destabilize. The UK would fall apart even further after the Brexit; there's likely to be another Scottish referendum and they're likely to leave the UK and rejoin the EU.

> Greece was at risk of that for a while.

Greece actually campaigned for it and the EU imposed more austerity instead.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by robertony »

bkor wrote: post #91
SeaSeaRider wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The terrifying thing is that people with your mindset are actually part of the bureaucracy of the EU. No credible company will keep a .EU domain if they go ahead with this unhinged plan to delete 250000 domains.

> bureaucracy of the EU The EU is actually quite efficient with its money considering all the things it does. Probably because loads of things are done centrally instead of repeated across 27 countries. This despite the stupid continuous moving between Brussels and Strasbourg.

Can you please provide sources for how EU centeralized government is more efficient with it's money than decenteralized systems used in places like the Netherlands and the UK?

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

robertony wrote: post #88
pmden wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not entirely surprised you'd feel that way - the British seem to be uniquely self-flagellating on topics of nation and state. But I'm not sure how you can support the European Union actively punishing the _people and businesses_ of the United Kingdom in response to the 'conduct' of the _government_ of the United Kingdom, when you think said government hasn't provided proper representation for their people. Whethe…

> And it is right to be, particularly in the case human rights. The European Convention on Human Rights is not an EU institution. The EU has had problems causing conflict with it, such as with the European Arrest Warrant. > When the stability of the Euro has been at stake, rules always take second-place. And when the Euro isn't at stake either, after all, they integrated Greece when it failed the checks and balances,…

Ignoring for the moment the insanity of Brexit in the first place, I'm particularly unimpressed that it also includes leaving ECHR. That was never mentioned until much later as the "hard Brexit" madness got going.

The Tories must have forgot it was their beloved Churchill who was a huge advocate for its creation and promoted it from the end of the war and through the 48 Congress of Europe. Atlee's Labour was against it, whilst the Conservatives signed it for the UK in 51 or 52.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by midasz »

benj111 wrote: post #83
midasz wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Trade agreements were also made when the UK was in the EU. It doesn't make sense to let them run their course either? Why so lenient? Choosing to leave a club that allows for certain things is ok, but it's inane to be outraged about not keeping those things when you leave.

My passport says European Union on it, does that suddenly become invalid? I don't expect to be able to get a passport with EU on it for ever, I expect to able to carry on using the one I already have though. I'm sure there are many contracts negotiated between British and EU organisations, under EU law. Should those contracts be ripped up? Renegotiated under British law? That loan that a German company took out from…

> My passport says European Union on it, does that suddenly become invalid?

The passport itself does not become invalid

> I don't expect to be able to get a passport with EU on it for ever, I expect to able to carry on using the one I already have though.

Sure, however you wouldn't be able to enter Schengen like you do now. You'd be a "third country national" and be treated as such. Instead of "European Union" it could say "Loves Pasta" and it'd carry the same legal weight.

> I'm sure there are many contracts negotiated between British and EU organisations, under EU law. Should those contracts be ripped up? Renegotiated under British law?

I'd guess so, since they were based on a different situation. They probably didn't account for a situation where there was no free-trade and such.

> That loan that a German company took out from a British bank under EU banking regs. Is that agreement null and void?

Wholly depends. They'd probably have to renegotiate the regs.

> Both parties lose even more if this turns into a petty tit for tat.

How is it a petty tit for tat? This is the reality of leaving the EU. I get the feeling brexiteers want all the pro's but none of the con's. It simply cannot work that way. "Why are they being so mean?", it isn't being mean. It's simply a consequence everyone could've known before this shit-show started.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by midasz »

anfilt wrote: post #12

Pretty petty if you ask me. ICANN generally lets things be grandfathered in. However, it is a country code domain so they can administer it how they want.

> Pretty petty if you ask me. ICANN generally lets things be grandfathered in.

EU membership is not a phone subscription.

Re: Commission to revoke British .eu domains after Brexit

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

alias_neo wrote: post #45
stunt wrote: post #36

This news is written in a really weird way, and I can't believe that it is not intentional. Of course, if the commission is going to do it, it will explain why it is required, what it is going to happen, and how is it going to happen and they will make sure nobody is harmed because of this transition. Don't be naive!

You may be right, but, the more Brexit news I hear, and the more I read, the more I get the feeling that parts of Europe and the EC are making efforts to make an example of Britain. It may be that the news is following a certain rhetoric, but, it seems clear that the likes of Merkel intend to do this, she's all but said as much. My point here is that when one person is telling you they want to do harm, people will ta…

I got the exact opposite impression over time: so far, the EU's stance has been the more reasonable of both sides. You can't have your cake and eat it, as they say.

I had actually hoped for a tougher approach, to be honest.

But this would just punish the people who are most affected. And in this regard, the EU's side is, again, the more generous. E.g., most member states are putting in effort to make things as painless as they can for British expats. The British government, on the other side, is hanging them out dry.

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