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Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Very encouraging news for our environment to see a meat producer actively debut a non-meat product that will actively take away from meat sales. Reminds me of Kodak. Where Kodak did not embrace digital early enough, and then many years later was bankrupt.

Think this is comparable to the oil companies being some of the biggest investors in renewable energy. It improves the diversification of their unsustainable business and gives them some Corporate Social Responsibility points as well

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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I'd also disagree with - People who want meatless products aren't buying meat so they're an expansion opportunity. I think that's a fair assessment. I think that the desire to eat meat-like products is much lower than a lot of people assume in vegetarian/vegan people. Products like Seitan and other "meat texture" items have always done poorly when compared to vegetarian/vegan offerings that simply omit any meat-like…

I agree about the "desire" to eat meat-like products with the vegetarian/vegan set. None of my vegetarian/vegan are into the fake meats at all. Most don't even try it once. I think the market for this type of fake meat are meat eaters with an environmental awareness.

I'm pretty sure the market for this product is meat eaters (vegetarians too, but less of them) trying to serve burgers to a group of people that includes vegetarians.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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I'm amazed someone can be so hilariously wrong. ~90% of the calories a species takes in get lost going up the food chain. You need to grow ~1000 calories of plants to make 100 calories of beef. >Not to mention plants are nutrient deficient and as a result people have to eat far more of it Source? Also, what specific nutrients are you referring to? Where do you think the energy and minerals an animal has come from? >T…

Cows eat grass, which is just out there, growing naturally. Those aren't calories humans could be consuming; we don't have the right kind of stomaches. You can view a cow as machine for extracting the nutrients in grass into a dense, human-digestible form. Pretty cool. I'm also not sure your "modern agriculture" point stands -- are industrial farming methods sustainable over the long scale? Think about America pre-co…

Think about America pre-colonization: a continent filled with ruminants happily munching away, being hunted at sustainable levels. To my mind that is peak sustainability and environmental friendliness.

That's with a population of on the order of 10 million for the entire continent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigeno...

Naturally grazing cows wouldn't even come close to sustaining the current demand for meat. Industrialized animal agriculture exists for a reason.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd also disagree with - People who want meatless products aren't buying meat so they're an expansion opportunity. I think that's a fair assessment. I think that the desire to eat meat-like products is much lower than a lot of people assume in vegetarian/vegan people. Products like Seitan and other "meat texture" items have always done poorly when compared to vegetarian/vegan offerings that simply omit any meat-like…

I agree about the "desire" to eat meat-like products with the vegetarian/vegan set. None of my vegetarian/vegan are into the fake meats at all. Most don't even try it once. I think the market for this type of fake meat are meat eaters with an environmental awareness.

I like veggie burgers from time to time. It's not so much about the meat but ketchup with mayonnaise, onions and pickles on a roll feels very satisfying to me. But in general I am also not much into meat like products.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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I suspect the timing deliberately lines up with the launch of the new Canadian food guide yesterday. https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/

This is interesting. One of the recommendations are to "Limit highly processed foods. If you choose these foods, eat them less often and in small amounts."

Would these meatless products be considered "highly processed food" that should be limited?

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Very encouraging news for our environment to see a meat producer actively debut a non-meat product that will actively take away from meat sales. Reminds me of Kodak. Where Kodak did not embrace digital early enough, and then many years later was bankrupt. I think that’s a fanciful comparison. More likely they worked the numbers and realize two things. First, the people most likely to buy meatless products weren’t par…

First, the people most likely to buy meatless products weren’t part of their existing customer base, so there is no cannibalization. I'd like to suggest that the term "cannibalization" should be used gently when applied to a meat company. [ I would also like to take a look at your comment in terms of assertions because I'm having a hard time parsing it. - People who want meatless products aren't buying meat so they'r…

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Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Normal Burger:

  Carbs   : 0 g
  Fat     : 10 g
  Protein : 17 g
https://www.nutritionix.com/food/beef-patty

"Lightlife Burger":

  Carbs   : 11 g
  Fat     : 2.5 g
  Protein : 10 g
https://lightlife.com/sites/default/files/SmartPatties_Black...

Nope, not a substitute.

EDIT:

Apparently that is for a different veggie burger from the same company. Not sure where to get the info for the one under discussion here.

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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As a consumer, I would absolutely replace some of the consumables I buy with perfect substitutes if I liked them. This is exactly what economists assume.

"If I liked them" is a much lower bar than "perfect substitute".

The economic definition of a perfect substitute is less about the literal definition of the phrase, but more about the way in which OP substituted it in (ha!)

Re: Canadian meat giant Maple Leaf debuts new plant-based burger

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Normal Burger: Carbs : 0 g Fat : 10 g Protein : 17 g https://www.nutritionix.com/food/beef-patty "Lightlife Burger": Carbs : 11 g Fat : 2.5 g Protein : 10 g https://lightlife.com/sites/default/files/SmartPatties_Black... Nope, not a substitute. EDIT: Apparently that is for a different veggie burger from the same company. Not sure where to get the info for the one under discussion here.

You’re not comparing to the product mentioned in the article which clearly shows 20g protein in the image.
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