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Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Apple deserves to be lauded for not using overly boring adjectives once in their boilerplate blurb. Plaudits for using hyperbole? Oh laud, gag me with a spoon, please.
If a company wants to dazzle me with bombastic statements they can at least try to not be boring. (I’m also not sure whether it’s hyperbole. I would guess that many people working at Apple actually believe the boilerplate. That might make them deluded but not hyperbolic.)
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#53I'm itching to take a look at Apple's "foundation for a new graphical client"
I wonder why they don't just release their existing AWT/Swing adaptations? Either they are afraid of people using the Mac OS style on Windows, or that by open sourcing the style, they loose their copyright to it, or the code is such as mess that they'd rather not release it into the open.
How many years-old projects with deep hooks into a proprietary OS, written with no intention of ever being open sourced, would or could be opened on any reasonable timeframe? Any precedents spring to mind?
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a company wants to dazzle me with bombastic statements they can at least try to not be boring. (I’m also not sure whether it’s hyperbole. I would guess that many people working at Apple actually believe the boilerplate. That might make them deluded but not hyperbolic.)
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#56This is off-topic, but I'm amazed by the descriptions at the end of TFA (I know, I know, it's a press release, but still...) Oracle is the world’s most complete, open and integrated business software and hardware systems company. (...) Let's grant integrated and complete, but definitely not "open". Though this is dwarfed by Apple's incredible self-praise: Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world,…
Just goes to show how meaningless "open" has become.
"Open" as in "Open for business."
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder why they don't just release their existing AWT/Swing adaptations? Either they are afraid of people using the Mac OS style on Windows, or that by open sourcing the style, they loose their copyright to it, or the code is such as mess that they'd rather not release it into the open.
How many years-old projects with deep hooks into a proprietary OS, written with no intention of ever being open sourced, would or could be opened on any reasonable timeframe? Any precedents spring to mind?
WebObjects...? And still not open. But perhaps not the precedent you were looking for...
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not "clean", only JRE that have passed the TCK (Java Compatibility Kit) get the patent waiver, if you modify the JRE and don't get it re-certified then you lose the patent protection. And to get it certified you have to agree to a restrictive licence from Oracle. Sun promised Apache to make the TCK available under an open licence but this never happened. IBM was previously putting pressure on Sun/Oracle to make…
> only JRE that have passed the TCK (Java Compatibility Kit) get the patent waiver, No. That's not true. As long as your code is derived from OpenJDK (and unavoidably licensed under GPL), you are protected from patent lawsuits from Oracle (for technology contributed to OpenJDK). What it doesn't protect you from is trademark issues if you claim whatever thing you have is Java. You can say "pretty much compatible with…
> As long as your code is derived from OpenJDK (and unavoidably licensed under GPL), you are protected from patent lawsuits from Oracle (for technology contributed to OpenJDK).
I don't think that is correct. OpenJDK is under GPLv2, so there is no explicit patent license. However, it seems pretty well accepted (among lawyers) that there is an implicit patent grant. That implicit license would certainly cover the unmodified OpenJDK, but how much you can modify it and still be covered is uncertain.
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#59This bit is hilarious: The best way for our users to always have the most up to date and secure version of Java will be to get it directly from Oracle. Contrast that with a recent quote from Bill Evans: We're happy to continue to support Flash on the Mac, and the best way for users to always have the most up to date and secure version is to download it directly from Adobe. It's like they're just toying with the tech…
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#60Almost as important is the announcement that the current Apple JDK, 1.6, will still ship in Lion. Given the release cycle of Java 7, that's a big relief to Java users and given the HN crowd, budding Android developers. Moreover, it seems to quash the (ridiculous) rumours that OS X Lion will end up being some locked down antithesis of previous versions of OS X.
> that's a big relief to Java users and given the
HN crowd, budding Android developers