I'm glad that they're not throwing everything away. I wonder if this will provide any benefit to the Linux OpenJDK.
If based on Cocoa, with more closed-source hooks, then probably not.
Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#22Though I'm glad for this desicion, I can't help but wonder: what's in it for oracle? The puny 5% of desktops running mac os?
Money. They're in for the money. a) Even if it is only 5%, it is almost pure profit for Oracle. Many big companies would like to expand 5% for almost free. b) The decision maker might run mac. No mac support, no sales. (One of my customers is like that). This is similar to the "American’s with Disabilities Act" which requires accesibility even though less than 5% of the users are disabled. c) 5% is the average. Many…
Your point (c) is the most important, in my opinion. I work in computing theory research at a major UK university, and well over 50% of the desktops I see used are Macs, and about 80% of the laptops. Many of our undergraduates also use Macs. A working Java implementation is quite important for this area - both for Apple, to ensure we keep buying them and Oracle, to stop people just saying "Well, we don't use that much Java anymore, let's just drop it".
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#23Almost as important is the announcement that the current Apple JDK, 1.6, will still ship in Lion. Given the release cycle of Java 7, that's a big relief to Java users and given the HN crowd, budding Android developers. Moreover, it seems to quash the (ridiculous) rumours that OS X Lion will end up being some locked down antithesis of previous versions of OS X.
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#24Though I'm glad for this desicion, I can't help but wonder: what's in it for oracle? The puny 5% of desktops running mac os?
Ellison gets another checklist on his sales brochure and will now continue to get a christmas card from his buddy Jobs.
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#25This is off-topic, but I'm amazed by the descriptions at the end of TFA (I know, I know, it's a press release, but still...) Oracle is the world’s most complete, open and integrated business software and hardware systems company. (...) Let's grant integrated and complete, but definitely not "open". Though this is dwarfed by Apple's incredible self-praise: Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world,…
A bit of humility maybe?
Why? If you think your product is the best, say so. If you think your product is revolutionary, say so. If you think your product is magical, say so. If you think your product is defining the future, say so.
The only reason I can see to criticize a PR footer like that is if you think the company doesn't actually think of itself that way and is just trying to bullshit the reader.
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#26Though I'm glad for this desicion, I can't help but wonder: what's in it for oracle? The puny 5% of desktops running mac os?
My guess would be that that number is much higher for developers (at least not .NET developers). Just look around at conferences.
Heck, just look at this: http://james.gosling.usesthis.com/
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#27This is off-topic, but I'm amazed by the descriptions at the end of TFA (I know, I know, it's a press release, but still...) Oracle is the world’s most complete, open and integrated business software and hardware systems company. (...) Let's grant integrated and complete, but definitely not "open". Though this is dwarfed by Apple's incredible self-praise: Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world,…
Just goes to show how meaningless "open" has become.
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#28I'm itching to take a look at Apple's "foundation for a new graphical client"
I wonder why they don't just release their existing AWT/Swing adaptations?
Either they are afraid of people using the Mac OS style on Windows, or that by open sourcing the style, they loose their copyright to it, or the code is such as mess that they'd rather not release it into the open.
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#29This is off-topic, but I'm amazed by the descriptions at the end of TFA (I know, I know, it's a press release, but still...) Oracle is the world’s most complete, open and integrated business software and hardware systems company. (...) Let's grant integrated and complete, but definitely not "open". Though this is dwarfed by Apple's incredible self-praise: Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world,…
A bit of humility maybe? Why? If you think your product is the best, say so. If you think your product is revolutionary, say so. If you think your product is magical, say so. If you think your product is defining the future, say so. The only reason I can see to criticize a PR footer like that is if you think the company doesn't actually think of itself that way and is just trying to bullshit the reader.
As a side note, I wouldn't call Apple products "magical", maybe to the extent that they make people's money disappear. But that can be explained, somehow, without magic too.
I think the focus of his reply should have been on Jobs' giant ego, which is undeniable.
Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X
#30Does this mean there's some chance you'll be able to use Java for Mac App Store apps?