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Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#1
I want to learn photography and choosing a camera is probably the second and most important step for it (first being deciding what to take photo of and for what purpose).

I want to move beyond smartphone photography. I was aware of the term DSLR and started my research around it. During my research I stumbled upon the term MirrorLess. Further research showed that it is relatively newer technology (~10yr old as compare to ~60yr old DSLR tech). It's still maturing. I am unable to decide just how mature it is as of today.

I come across some articles like "https://photographylife.com/mirrorless-vs-dslr" which list pros-vs-cons of both. I found these very helpful, however these articles are mostly 2-3 years old, and I am not sure if landscape around cameras has changed since then.

I would like to know if MirrorLess can compete with DSLR at different price points like $500, $750, $1000+.

Also, what are some good resources (online videos, articles, books etc) for learning photography?

Re: Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#2
You'll be fine with either. Just pick a camera you can afford and focus on quality glass (lenses). I personally prefer the Canon system so my recommendation would either be a T7i (DSLR) or, if you can afford the upgrade, the EOS R (Mirrorless and my current primary).

Biggest con these days on mirrorless is they tend to run through a battery charge about twice as fast as a DSLR equivalent.

For materials.. as much as I've not been fond of youtube in the past for whatever reason I find it extremely valuable today. Peter McKinnon is pretty great or if you want to start with landscapes maybe check out Thomas Heaton.

Re: Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#3
I was a fan of Canon SLRs for a long time. I lost my camera and my best lens a while ago and spent some time looking at the latest offerings by Cannon and Nikon. In particular I was interested in getting a "full frame" camera because of its greater light collecting capacity.

When I looked at reviews of the lower-end full frame cameras from Canon and Nikon I found countless complaints.

Then I took a look at this camera

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7-ii

and saw it on sale for about $1000 at retailers such as Best Buy.

I think it is just great. The choice of Sony lenses is not as good as Canon or Nikon, and particularly some of the high end glass is expensive, but the choice is not bad and is getting better.

The advantage of DSLR is that you can set up your shot on a ground glass screen and see it through the viewfinder. Maybe that is a tough more accurate than the rear and viewfinder displays of a DSLR, but the ability to sight through the rear like a point-and-shoot is convenient.

My Sony also shoots startlingly good video, in fact the sound isn't half bad using the mic built into the camera.

Re: Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#4
I wouldn’t spend any excessive amount of time debating whether to get an SLR or a mirrorless camera. You’ll notice a big improvement over your smartphone with either. DSLRs can often be purchased used for cheaper and have better battery life, but mirrorless cameras are much smaller (the adage about the best camera being the one you have with you applies).

I also wouldn’t focus on getting the latest tech. I have a Nikon D80 from 2006 that, although it has a 10MP CCD sensor, which has a high noise floor and a low top ISO, is a perfectly functional camera that I use all the time.

If you have a camera store in your area, ask to see their used DSLRs and mirrorless cameras. You’re much better off spending less on the camera body and getting a few more lenses than you would be getting a top-of-the-line body and a junky kit lens. For three- to five-year-old cameras, DSLRs might be a better deal, and the standard SLR mount lenses are much more common and should be cheaper.

Re: Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#5
One advantage of DSLRs is you can often pick up second hand lenses for them, at a fraction of the price that a new one would cost. For example I have an f1.4 50mm Pentax lens that cost me about £20 (although it doesn't have autofocus). A new equivalent would cost c. £380.

Re: Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#6
Disclaimer: I am not a professional photographer nor formally studied photography, and have never used a DSLR, but I have been using mirrorless cameras (Sony NEX series) since 2011.

While there are generally less "native" camera lenses for mirrorless systems, one less well known/publicized advantage of using them is that you can use film camera lenses. While you do not get autofocus and there might be vignetting at the corners (which I personally like anyway), you can get a good quality lens for a good price by doing this. It also can be cool if you are trying to recreate a "vintage" look, or just going for something weird or unusual. All that is required is a cheap adapter that you costs around $5 on ebay. Two of my personal favorite lenses to use are the Jupiter 9 (the whole Jupiter series are Soviet copies of Carl Zeiss lenses) that I got for $175, and the SLR magic 3517E which I got for $37. This video has a general overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQLi4g-wyDA

Re: Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#7
Mirrorless is undoubtedly the future of serious photography but I don't think the systems are quite there yet. If you want a full system of lenses today a Canon or Nikon full frame DSLR is your best bet. There are lots of online resources to learn photography e.g. Ken Rockwell's website. I think the best advice is to shoot things that you are genuinely interested in - e.g. I love portraits and landscapes but have no interest in macro photography of bugs or flowers.

Re: Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#8
The biggest difference between a DSLR and a mirrorless is the wayfinder: on mirrorless you get digital vs analog on dslr (via the mirror system). In terms of controls, both have more or less the same, with some naming differences.

I would go for second hand set, either canon or nikon, whatever model!, with the stock zoom lens (18-55) and get a fixie (not zoom lens, 50mm works great for lots of conditions and most of them are fast). This should cover you for a while, maybe even years. When you literally run the thing down and think you can't progress anymore, you will most likely have a clear idea what you want from a camera.

Don't get bogged down by all the awesome new things cameras can do, to learn you need aperture priority and shutter priority. You will find that all decent cameras have that. Probably, pretty quickly you will need manual iso and white balance settings, but again, most cameras have that too.

So, go on, buy the cheapest set you can find, that' still a dslr with changeable lenses, get the two lenses I recommended and start shooting. After you figure out what you like to shoot, because you will never be able to shoot everything at the same level, focus on that.

Re: Ask HN: DSLR vs. MirrorLess cameras. Best resources for learning photography?

#10
I was shopping around for a camera about 4 years ago. I realized that normal digital cameras are essentially smartphones. So I bought a Nikon D3300 (DSLR, ~$500). I haven't bought any extra things for it (used what was in the box), and an acquaintance gave me a tripod he wasn't using. I've considered getting a long focus lens, but the stock lens is sufficient for me (cue horror from "pro photographers").

I've never used a camera this good before, and I've been happy with the quality of every photo I've taken, even if the subject and framing isn't right. Yes, it's a bit bulky, but I don't mind. I haven't looked around at other cameras since, and I plan on using it as long as I can.

My advice: get a camera that gives you the quality you're looking for, take some good shots, and don't look back!

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