Earlier quoted context omitted.
uh, the ECB sets the eurozone monetary policy[1] 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Central_Bank
I'm guessing parent meant fiscal policy.
Euro area is back on the brink of recession
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#13Very little context provided, would have probably been served even better with just a graph of the euro zone growth from 1999 quarter by quarter versus other economies like Japan, US, China for context.
Journalism feels lazier and lazier as it constantly searches for more clicks and ad impressions.
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#14Given China has seen lowest growth in almost 30 years and the US where some positive numbers are hiding some negative stories, it would seem that there is a wider context to take into consideration. The article seems loaded with the premise of the Euro is bad but taking the wider global context, this premise seems flimsy. Dont get me wrong, the Euro has proven to be a great way of legally devaluing german currency an…
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#16A headline in search of an article. Very little context provided, would have probably been served even better with just a graph of the euro zone growth from 1999 quarter by quarter versus other economies like Japan, US, China for context. Journalism feels lazier and lazier as it constantly searches for more clicks and ad impressions.
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#17Things are not looking promising and 2019 is European elections year. Greece has financial and many other issues, Italy has also many financial and internal issues, Germany is not holding the same powerful position as it had with Merkel, UK is uncertain with one foot in the EU, France has already a lot of problems and many more coming up and the same goes for other countries (immigration, politics, economy...). Let’s…
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#18That I think is the saving grace of Brexit. Investor confidence in Italian public debt will evaporate sooner or later, and I don’t see Germany allowing and paying for a bailout of Italy, given how they reacted to the bailout of Greece. The UK will likely look like a safe heaven for capitals when that happens.
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#19Given China has seen lowest growth in almost 30 years and the US where some positive numbers are hiding some negative stories, it would seem that there is a wider context to take into consideration. The article seems loaded with the premise of the Euro is bad but taking the wider global context, this premise seems flimsy. Dont get me wrong, the Euro has proven to be a great way of legally devaluing german currency an…
You're right, bonds are globally extremely inflated. It's predictable that people are losing confidence in fiat currencies with such an asset bubble and without a country to escape to anymore. I was proud owner of CHF as an exception from other fiat currencies until it got pegged to EUR.
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#20A distant fifth is Germany at around 7%. Ireland is up a couple percent.
Everyone else in the Eurozone is either near flat or negative on growth over the last ~11-12 years.
Greece is down 35%, Italy is down 15%, Spain is down 14%, Portugal is down 7%, France is down 7%, Finland and the Netherlands are down about 5%.
While the article is criticizing the Euro, Denmark and Sweden have also seen essentially zero per capita growth since 2007. The UK is down 20% over that time.
Outside that group and the Euro, you've got Romania up 30%, Poland up around 23%, Czech up 11% and Russia up 18%. I've excluded Norway, just because their figures swing wildly with oil.
There's definitely a sustained, serious growth problem in most of the Eurozone, however the baltics are doing quite well. The Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Finland, Germany and Austria are starting from quite high per capita figures, it's not a trivial task to keep pushing those higher.
The real issue isn't growth generally, it's that the next slide backwards in terms of recession, is going to badly damage the bunch that hasn't held their ground or seen enough recovery yet: France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece. I'm not sure how the Euro survives if those sink lower in a recession and see another lost decade. Which would then actually be a lost two decades - a 1/3 to 1/2 real contraction for all of them, inflation adjusted over time. Losing that much of your purchasing power over 20 years is brutal, people won't sit idly by and absorb that forever, they'll rebel against the institutions.
France has pretty considerable exports, equivalent to nearly 20% of their GDP (the US is closer to 11% by comparison). If I'm them, I'd be seriously contemplating that I'd be better off controlling my own currency, so as to undercut the Germany export juggernaut rather than suffer from a currency that is too expensive (while simultaneously being artificially cheap for the German economy, spurring their exports and trade imbalance). Spain, Italy, Portual and Greece are all similarly suffering from a Euro that is too expensive for their situations (to varying degrees) and is harming their export potential.