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Re: Facebook launches petition feature, its next battlefield

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, all (minimally relevant) social media has been designed with goals to optimise that have nothing to do with the betterment of society - the variables to max out are retention of users, engagement/addiction, etc. A network with positive effects might be feasible, we've literally never tried.

> A network with positive effects might be feasible, we've literally never tried. I'd argue that Hacker News and Stack Exchange are two clear examples of relevant social networks with overwhelmingly positive effects (neither is without flaws of course). Github might very reasonably make the list as well. I think the line is functional networks vs general networks. Not all functional networks are net positive, LinkedI…

It's funny, I would not really have counted HN or Reddit as social networks (much less SE or github) even though they clearly have a social aspect.

What makes a social network a social network?

I think in my mind a social network is a site where the information you can see is a feed either created or curated by a group of people you know. twitter and other asymmetrical networks fit in because you know famous people even if they don't know you. that would leave sites like reddit or HN in the outer edge of the definition, since you're seeing content curated by like minded strangers (spotify or pornhub would also qualify there), and sites like stackexchange out since the feed is either non existent or of low importance.

Re: Facebook launches petition feature, its next battlefield

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post #40

I've given up on the idea that political engagement on social media can make society better. It seems to be a one-way ratchet toward political extremism, because it encourages people to immerse themselves in communities that respond with adulation whenever someone sinks deeper into their ideological wing and respond with cold silence whenever someone hesitates or questions the wing's narrative. In case this isn't alr…

> A good form of effective action would be to create and popularize to the top of the list a petition like 'Dismantle Facebook' or 'Fire Mark Zuckerberg'.

Thanks to the FB algorithm, this kind of 'troll' petition wouldn't appear on anyone's feed. And ultimately, the type of person motivated to use this for its actual use cases (building supporters for causes, or just looking for people to scam), their opinon of Zuckerberg wouldn't change one iota.

Re: Facebook launches petition feature, its next battlefield

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It feels like no matter what Facebook does, its brand will impede the efforts of any new product they build. TBH, if I were Snapchat, I'd see this as a huge opportunity, since I'd doubt Instagram would get into the political space. Another option for Facebook would be to have something similar to Google X, where projects can eventually spin out to separate companies and own their brand.

Snap has its own brand to think about, it wouldn't bother trying to enter this arena. People don't talk politics on Snap, mainly because they skew younger and because it's photo-based, not text-based.

Re: Facebook launches petition feature, its next battlefield

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post #48

In the UK at least we already have official petitions - the UK one is https://petition.parliament.uk/ This is the ONLY one that impels the UK government to debate, and ultimately vote on each petition (providing the petition has garnered enough signatures). However a LOT people in the UK use the change.org system, which has absolutely NO legal standing, and they get upset when the government ignores them. I can see t…

Isn't it true that not a single petition on the UK gov website has resulted in a change in the law? Isn't it also true that most petitions are quickly dismissed with the claim that the topic has already been debated?

The petition system actually just made me think how futile and dysfunctional this [bourgeois, if I may use the word] democracy is.

Re: Facebook launches petition feature, its next battlefield

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post #47

> Facebook is purposefully trying to focus Community Actions to be more narrowly concentrated on spurring government action than just any random cause. So you can’t use this feature to ask FB to fix problems with its own platform? My first thought about this feature was: well, most organizations can ignore these petitions, but at least we can use them to get FB to quit doing bad/annoying stuff. Apparently not!

What if we started a FB petition for the government to regulate FB?

> What if we started a FB petition for the government to regulate FB?

You'd motivate this months-dormant user to engage with the platform for a few minutes.

Re: Facebook launches petition feature, its next battlefield

#66

The general sentiment of the thread is pretty negative. I’d offer the contrary and say that this (provided that it’s moderated with some integrity) feature is one of the great potentially empowering uses of the platform. Bringing people together and connecting them to other likeminded individuals who would otherwise be strangers, I love that.

What about those of us that refuse to use Facebook because of all the privacy problems? Are we suddenly voiceless in our community because we refuse to sell our identity to Facebook?

"Connecting them to other likeminded individuals"... you mean an even larger echo chamber where people can easily ignore beliefs and ideas that they don't agree with.

Re: Facebook launches petition feature, its next battlefield

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post #48

In the UK at least we already have official petitions - the UK one is https://petition.parliament.uk/ This is the ONLY one that impels the UK government to debate, and ultimately vote on each petition (providing the petition has garnered enough signatures). However a LOT people in the UK use the change.org system, which has absolutely NO legal standing, and they get upset when the government ignores them. I can see t…

Isn't it true that not a single petition on the UK gov website has resulted in a change in the law? Isn't it also true that most petitions are quickly dismissed with the claim that the topic has already been debated? The petition system actually just made me think how futile and dysfunctional this [bourgeois, if I may use the word] democracy is.

Alas, yes and yes. :(

Re: Facebook launches petition feature, its next battlefield

#69

The general sentiment of the thread is pretty negative. I’d offer the contrary and say that this (provided that it’s moderated with some integrity) feature is one of the great potentially empowering uses of the platform. Bringing people together and connecting them to other likeminded individuals who would otherwise be strangers, I love that.

>provided that it’s moderated with some integrity

Given what I've seen on and from Facebook, I would be absolutely shocked if that happened

>Bringing people together and connecting them to other likeminded individuals who would otherwise be strangers

Yet another avenue for bigots and the uninformed to receive support in their social media echo chamber

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